The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Star Wars super nerd Kevin Smith reviews the Last Jedi (language warning of course). It's pretty long, but worth watching if you're a Smith fan.

https://www.facebook.com/YesThatKevi...4895143831930/

I'm not watching an hour and a half of Kevin Smith, who appears to have adopted a fairly severe addiction, ramble about whatever. And I like Kevin Smith.

Are there Coles Notes or something?

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Lol. It’s kinda sad how petty you are about this movie.

Who hurt you? And why are you obsessed with getting validation from other people who didn’t like it? And why does it make you so angry that most people liked it?

I’ve read a #### ton of movie discussions on CP and I’ve never seen someone so dedicated to convincing themselves that their opinion is the right one.

Just let it go dude. So bizarre.

I actually don't care about the movie so much, more trying to prove how dumb and arrogant you're being. Surprise, it continues!

[ResAlien]

Would you two kiss already and get it over with?

[Buff]

The more I think about it, the more I like the movie. When I left the movie I loved it. Then I read about all the negative reaction and I started having doubts about the movie and was getting sour on the movie. But as I think about the negative comments, and think about how I feel about each scene, I realize that I'm not on board with all the negativity. I really enjoyed this movie an don't agree with many of the criticisms.

There are valid criticisms, but I feel that there are many criticisms that are reaching. In the grand scheme of things, there are parts that I felt could have been improved upon but they certainly aren't taking away from my enjoyment of the movie. I don't intend to get into a big debate about whose internet dick is bigger when it comes to this movie. I enjoyed The Last Jedi. I'm happy with my own opinion and I don't care if other people liked or hated the movie. I loved it and I can't wait to see it again!

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not watching an hour and a half of Kevin Smith, who appears to have adopted a fairly severe addiction, ramble about whatever. And I like Kevin Smith.

Are there Coles Notes or something?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but skipped around and got the gist of his thoughts.

Coles notes version: he had a couple of issues with some of the plot developments as many people did, and he envisioned a different ending for Luke, but overall he really enjoyed the movie. He added that he liked it more after a 2nd viewing.

He also mentioned that he loved the Yoda scene in particular, and that Luke's reunion with R2 hit him right in the feels.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He probably doesn't take it kind that apparently those who don't like the movie are either racist, sexist, or a Russian bot.

The weirdest part of your post isn’t the bizarre accusations, which are totally inappropriate and out of left field. It’s the fact that I don’t care if people don’t like it. I myself didn’t love it. I posted a rather long list of criticisms. I’ve never once said people aren’t allowed to dislike the movie.

It’s that cube has this hilarious and insane obsession that the movie has gotten overwhelmingly negative reactions and that’s just not true.

It’s just such a weird thing to get hung up on.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Meh, you're the one going around yelling FAKE NEWS because some guy on twitter with 5 followers made 12 accounts and posted negative reviews ha.

I don't think anyone is saying it's getting overwhelming negative reviews. Just that they exist, and aren't the product of one of the hacker known as 4chans leet hacking skills.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The weirdest part of your post isn’t the bizarre accusations, which are totally inappropriate and out of left field. It’s the fact that I don’t care if people don’t like it. I myself didn’t love it. I posted a rather long list of criticisms. I’ve never once said people aren’t allowed to dislike the movie.

It’s that cube has this hilarious and insane obsession that the movie has gotten overwhelmingly negative reactions and that’s just not true.

It’s just such a weird thing to get hung up on.

What are you even talking about?

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

With it sitting around 50% on both sites, and just based on comments you see everywhere, it's pretty clear the popular opinion is 50/50.

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Look anywhere — not just the big sites. Read this thread, we’re pretty split. I go to a couple other message boards and it’s the same. Everyone I saw it with in person didn’t feel good about it, and I’ve talked to a lot of people at work that we’re disappointed too. It’s a divisive movie.

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

pretty much every other source that is showing a divided opinion.

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCUbe

And yes, it is divisive despite what Cecil would like you to believe. He's been on that crusade in the spoiler thread too for some reason, despite half of us in there not liking it either.

I've never once even suggested that the movie was overwhelmingly negative reactions. I have suggested that the opinion on it appears to be split, as you can see above (I even bolded the words to make it easier for you to see, just in case).

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think he could have had a flawed persona without unsheathing his lightsaber as a teenage boy lay sleeping.

Interesting phrasing. That's all I have to say about that.

Anyway, I am excited for the next chapter of this serires, as this somewhat of a reboot of the original trilogy and expunging of most of the original players the stories will hopefully be more original. I wonder if the writers were cognizant of this at all.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The weirdest part of your post isn’t the bizarre accusations, which are totally inappropriate and out of left field.

My bad, that was Psychnet. My apologies.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Interesting phrasing. That's all I have to say about that.

Anyway, I am excited for the next chapter of this serires, as this somewhat of a reboot of the original trilogy and expunging of most of the original players the stories will hopefully be more original. I wonder if the writers were cognizant of this at all.

Jedi is a religion and that would make Luke a priest of sorts.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not watching an hour and a half of Kevin Smith, who appears to have adopted a fairly severe addiction, ramble about whatever. And I like Kevin Smith.

Are there Coles Notes or something?

Kevin Smith had been heavily involved in the Star Wars marketing, and was even given a voice last in TFA. I'd be shocked if he did anything but praise Disney for this.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by Buff

The more I think about it, the more I like the movie. When I left the movie I loved it. Then I read about all the negative reaction and I started having doubts about the movie and was getting sour on the movie. But as I think about the negative comments, and think about how I feel about each scene, I realize that I'm not on board with all the negativity. I really enjoyed this movie an don't agree with many of the criticisms.

There are valid criticisms, but I feel that there are many criticisms that are reaching. In the grand scheme of things, there are parts that I felt could have been improved upon but they certainly aren't taking away from my enjoyment of the movie. I don't intend to get into a big debate about whose internet dick is bigger when it comes to this movie. I enjoyed The Last Jedi. I'm happy with my own opinion and I don't care if other people liked or hated the movie. I loved it and I can't wait to see it again!

This is more or less where I am with it at this point. My impression of the movie improved quite a bit after watching it a second time, as I feel that my first viewing was clouded by a veil of plot expectations and a lack of childish wonder at the beauty of Star Wars. When I went in the second time and just sort of sat back to enjoy, I quite liked it. I'm pleased with where they're propelling the story more or less, and think that the movie's strong points outweigh the nags by a sufficient margin.

For me, there's danger in taking the microscope to a movie like this too closely. Each film in the saga has its quirks, and the "laws" that govern the Star Wars universe have always been fairly nebulous at best, so ripping in to the violations of Newtonian law and various forms of cheese in Last Jedi inevitably opens one up to questioning a lot of Star Wars content.

[djsFlames]

Most Marvel movies have way more warts and actual cringey moments than this did and people rave about them endlessly.

People hating are looking for reasons, rather than sitting back and enjoying like they would at their superhero flicks.

There's validity to the criticisms but they're not nearly as detrimental to the film as a whole as people are making it out to be.

[cracher]

Just finished my 2nd viewing in 3D. As a junkie for battle/action scenes, I think it's most definitely worth it to get those glasses on.

Nothing I can say that someone hasn't already said in this thread. I think the torch has passed from Hoth to Last Jedi for pure visual eyegasm for battle scenes. I mean, even when you factor in the time period/available technologies for ESB, it ain't even close. Plot-wise, I am still dissatisfied. It was almost as if they had to edit out huge chunks to save on time. So disjoint, lacking continuity. Poor character development. Whatever. I'll go a third time just to see the falcon chase, the red sand, and the throne scenes on the big screen.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Most Marvel movies have way more warts and actual cringey moments than this did and people rave about them endlessly.

No, they don't. Certainly not as many slap-you-in-the-face bad ones. They also have what Rogue One had and what this didn't: a tight script.

Yeah, so this was a disappointment. To paraphrase the immortal Richard Jeni, they could have just titled this movie "Star Wars: Here's a Jedi, You're Stupid". It just constantly plays to the lowest common denominator. I've seen some people say that it's disappointment over not making the movie we wanted; I didn't really have any expectations about what should happen. Even within the movie's own narrative structure, while watching it, they'll make a decision and it'll be so obviously the wrong one that it slaps you right out of your immersion in the film.

Which isn't to say it was a terrible movie that I'll never watch again. It just wasn't very good, and they could have made basically the same movie a lot better.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Most Marvel movies have way more warts and actual cringey moments than this did and people rave about them endlessly.

People hating are looking for reasons, rather than sitting back and enjoying like they would at their superhero flicks.

There's validity to the criticisms but they're not nearly as detrimental to the film as a whole as people are making it out to be.

Firstly, most marvel movies are crap, so poor benchmark.

Secondly, I had to look for reasons to actually like this movie. This dislike came so naturally and so often it was shocking. There was virtually no effort required to see the deep flaws in this movie.

[RinkRat]

I went in to the movie with fairly grounded expectations (I can't stress how much I enjoy Star Wars but I was also never overly attached to the Extended universe of the books), I personally didn't care much for it until Yoda made his appearance.

I can easily accept Luke being a flawed master, its not like he had a traditional upbringing, I still have my doubts that Rei's parents are nobody, and I will take a swing and say she builds a Dual Bladed saber for Ep.IX.

As for the lack of Snoke info, I'm convince he was somehow connected to Vader but even that is just my theory based on little evidence.

With the amount of times "let the past die" was uttered I was convinced the director was speaking to a large number of fans haha

So overall, I liked it, but I did not love it. I feel it has the potential to be the ultimate bridge movie if IX turns out to be something special.

(Side note, Canto Bite had one purpose, introduce the audience to the resurgence of force sensitives) Probably could have been done without as big of a side trip mind you.....

[speede5]

The development of the emperor in the prequels was great, seeing him go from shifty puppetmaster to full sith was probably one of the best parts of those three movies. That said I never craved a back story after watching 4,5,6.

I thought they missed opportunity with Snoke. I don't think it is worth going back and telling that story in Ep9 and I don't expect it. My only disappointment in lack of back story or maybe just more story is that I liked the character, and it would have been nice to see a bit more of him. I have faith that the over arcing storyline will pan out in 9 so I can live with it. The throne room scenes were great and brought us back to the standoff in ROTJ.

trading 5 minutes of the casino for 5 more of snoke would have been worth it, imo.

There is a ton of potential for 9.

[Tinordi]

My criticisms of this movie are more basic. I thought the pacing was very strange, the edits were jarring and outside of the Star Wars tone, and the plot wrapped up too neatly leaving not much space for the next movie.

The plotting was also underwhelming, the main story felt like a b-roll, the movie had two climaxes, was way too long, needless elements that had no connection to the main story, casino planet was a very unwelcome reminder of the prequels.

I really liked how it tried to push the reset button on blatant fan service. Kill the past, good yes please. Burn the dominant nostalgia that suffocates this franchise to the freaking ground.