GOP has a problem. They are trying to repeal based on 6 years ago people being angry they were forced to buy insurance rather than the hear and now where a very large chunk of those people who felt forced to buy insurance now like actually having health insurance. leaving tens of millions uninsured again isn't going to work or be at all popular.
At some point you'd think this country would get it through it's head that single payer is the way to go.
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If the GOP passes this horror show and they get destroyed in the midterms, it will basically sum up the American voter. In 2010 expanding health care access was the primary reason the Dems get slaughtered in the midterms. In 2018 contracting health care access will be the primary reason the GOP gets slaughtered in the midterms. Americans just cannot figure out what they want, and likely won't settle on something until it's far too late to matter.
nah. concrete proposals don't win elections. 6 years of screaming about Obamacare being a total disaster, skyrocketing costs, nobody anywhere was able to keep their doctor and "our plan will be way better" is a hell of a lot more successful. I saw an interview with a woman who is 100% confident "Trump's plan" will be great, because Trump said he has the best plan, and why would he say that if it wasn't true? No matter what happens, she will believe she is better off under Trump, because that is what Trump said.
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nah. concrete proposals don't win elections. 6 years of screaming about Obamacare being a total disaster, skyrocketing costs, nobody anywhere was able to keep their doctor and "our plan will be way better" is a hell of a lot more successful. I saw an interview with a woman who is 100% confident "Trump's plan" will be great, because Trump said he has the best plan, and why would he say that if it wasn't true? No matter what happens, she will believe she is better off under Trump, because that is what Trump said.
US politics in 10 years.
Joking aside, I am hoping there are still enough people with enough critical thinking that the trend can be reverse.
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The Justice Department is asking the House Intelligence Committee for more time to respond to a request intended to clear up President Donald Trump’s claim that President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower in the run-up to the 2016 election.
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“This afternoon, the Department of Justice placed calls to representatives of the Chairman and Ranking Member of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to ask for additional time to review the request in compliance with the governing legal authorities and to determine what if any responsive documents may exist,” a Justice Department spokeswoman, Sarah Isgur Flores, said in a statement Monday evening.
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The panel’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, said last week he believed Trump’s wiretapping claims would soon be put “to rest once and for all” — suggesting this could happen at a public hearing on March 20 where FBI Director James Comey is among the current and former officials invited to testify.
Schiff said he had not “seen any evidence whatsoever” to back up Trump’s claims.
My goodness, they sure are pouring a lot of time and taxpayer dollars into trying to prove that Obama and his Illuminati didn't install a felony wiretap in Trump's house.
The list of things he should, but won't be, impeached for continues to grow.
My goodness, they sure are pouring a lot of time and taxpayer dollars into trying to prove that Obama and his Illuminati didn't install a felony wiretap in Trump's house.
The list of things he should, but won't be, impeached for continues to grow.
They're just doing whatever they can to delay having to admit that Trump is a lying sack of s--t. It also gives them more time to come up with a plan on how to spin it to the press.
They're just doing whatever they can to delay having to admit that Trump is a lying sack of s--t. It also gives them more time to come up with a plan on how to spin it to the press.
It follows the established pattern of Trump pulling some ridiculous claim out of his ass to distract everyone from Russia whenever it looks like things are going badly for him. And it works every time. It doesn't even faze me anymore.
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Yeah but this one actually has consequences. One thing to accuse a bunch of nobodies of something, entirely another to claim the former POTUS committed illegal acts. He knows he's almost certainly going to have to retract, so he's probably waiting for the window people are distracted by something else before he does it.
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Forgive me my ignorance, but isn't most of this a moot point if insurance providers aren't decentralized and regulated? And by proxy hospitals/care providers? Everyone seems to be treating the symptoms and not the problem. Yes, it's bad that many Americans are uninsured, but isn't the reasoning rooted in the fact that its $100 for a box of nitrile gloves, a simple Xray now runs you $1000, and you get a bill for 4 different agencies every time you use a hospital/medical service?
Pharma gives a lot of money to politicians, medical practitioners make Pharma a lot of money. What politician on either side is going to destabilize that?
I know that's dumbing it down, but the money has to come from somewhere.
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Yeah but this one actually has consequences. One thing to accuse a bunch of nobodies of something, entirely another to claim the former POTUS committed illegal acts. He knows he's almost certainly going to have to retract, so he's probably waiting for the window people are distracted by something else before he does it.
Trump's ego won't allow it. He'll give Spicer some BS story to trot out about how he was speaking metaphorically or joking or possessed by ghosts and then move on to the next stupid thing he says without ever having to admit he made a mistake. The investigation will "conveniently" be roadblocked until it's no longer worth anyone's time to continue pursuing, and that will be the last anyone hears of it. Par for the course with this guy.
Church volunteers going to do relief work denied entry because they might steal American jobs. Wonder if anyone will bother trying to help if the US gets hit with a major natural disaster
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Forgive me my ignorance, but isn't most of this a moot point if insurance providers aren't decentralized and regulated? And by proxy hospitals/care providers? Everyone seems to be treating the symptoms and not the problem. Yes, it's bad that many Americans are uninsured, but isn't the reasoning rooted in the fact that its $100 for a box of nitrile gloves, a simple Xray now runs you $1000, and you get a bill for 4 different agencies every time you use a hospital/medical service?
Pharma gives a lot of money to politicians, medical practitioners make Pharma a lot of money. What politician on either side is going to destabilize that?
I know that's dumbing it down, but the money has to come from somewhere.
Yes lobbyists and what not are indeed the issue. And that swamp is not going to be drained given they are just putting the lobbyists into the cabinet.
It's why the only actual solution is a single payer system. It's not perfect but it is a heck of a lot better than what this country has. Especially when one considers there is already enough money in the socialized medicine system to achieve a good chunk of it...if you got rid of the lobbyists and extreme profit motivation of the industry.
All the GOP is doing is pushing everything down to the state level. A level that is not equipped and in many cases doesn't have the financial wherewithal to deal with these things (not just healthcare). In the end you are going to get an even larger split between the well being of the populace in the have and have not states.
Trump's ego won't allow it. He'll give Spicer some BS story to trot out about how he was speaking metaphorically or joking or possessed by ghosts and then move on to the next stupid thing he says without ever having to admit he made a mistake. The investigation will "conveniently" be roadblocked until it's no longer worth anyone's time to continue pursuing, and that will be the last anyone hears of it. Par for the course with this guy.
The difference here is Trump has opened himself up to a libel lawsuit if he doesn't retract or provide evidence. No doubt Obama will gladly not sue in exchange for a retraction. And Trump going through discovery on this...yeah right. He'll retract.
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The difference here is Trump has opened himself up to a libel lawsuit if he doesn't retract or provide evidence. No doubt Obama will gladly not sue in exchange for a retraction. And Trump going through discovery on this...yeah right. He'll retract.
In my opinion this is actually an attempt to neuter some of the wealthy elites who have purchased the GOP.
In the way the Tea Party was turned into a verb to describe establishment politicians, GOP politicians, losing their spots to fanatics, the new terminology will be 'Trumped'.
GOP establishment does NOT want Trump infecting/being associated with GOP policy positions like tax cuts for the wealthy and systemic financial and environmental deregulation. That's where you're seeing some of the pushbackk from GOP establishment types. Paul Ryan does not want his healthcare plan to be associated with Trump's dismal approval rating.
Ultimately, the white nationalists shaping Trump's presidency and world view are not in lock-step with establishment GOP politicians, ESPECIALLY leadership.
Paul Ryan is basically an anarcho-capitalist, a free-market anarchist at heart. White Nationalists are by nature hostile to this landscape as at their core they are about the preservation of white labour, a cringe worthy stalagmite of socialism.
There are deep, deep divisions within the GOP on how to exert control over the increasingly desperate portion of their base, white men, who are looking for someothing--anything-- that might ease their suffering. To these white men it is becoming increasingly obvious that standard GOP policy platforms like low taxes for the rich and a puncher's chance for health coverage simply are not doing anything for these increasingly desperate males, and they are turning on core conservatism in favour of, in their eyes, a more practical application of what they really want: socialism for whites only.
Paul Ryan doesn't represent these interests, and the more time he pretends to be a can-do politician from the fantasy reagan years, the more he'll be regarded as a race traitor to the voters of Appalachia and the southern gulf coast where the GOP heartlland resides.
They already laid the groundwork for moving past the wiretapping claims without a retraction.
Pressured again on the issue at Monday’s White House briefing, press secretary Sean Spicer said: “He doesn’t really think that President Obama went up and tapped his phone personally. But I think there’s no question that the Obama administration, that there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election. That is a widely reported activity that occurred back then.”
In a shift of position, Spicer then conceded: “The president used the word ‘wiretapped’ in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities during that. It is interesting how many news outlets reported that this activity was taking place during the 2016 election cycle and now are wondering where the proof is. It is many of the same outlets in this room that talked about the activities that were going on back then.”
They already laid the groundwork for moving past the wiretapping claims without a retraction.
Pressured again on the issue at Monday’s White House briefing, press secretary Sean Spicer said: “He doesn’t really think that President Obama went up and tapped his phone personally. But I think there’s no question that the Obama administration, that there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election. That is a widely reported activity that occurred back then.”
In a shift of position, Spicer then conceded: “The president used the word ‘wiretapped’ in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities during that. It is interesting how many news outlets reported that this activity was taking place during the 2016 election cycle and now are wondering where the proof is. It is many of the same outlets in this room that talked about the activities that were going on back then.”
