Bruins fire Julien

[debil]

Get him right now!!!

[rbochan]

Time to sell my KFC stock!

[dissentowner]

As I said in another thread, people have to accept GG is not going anywhere this year.

[thefoss1957]

Thoughts on Julien's firing:

1. The B's roster is a mess, due to Neely's dumping of players for "character" issues, and the relentless march of time (Chara). Julien being scapegoated smacks of misdirection.

2. The B's front office is getting pilloried by bloggers for the cowardice of trying to bury the news of the firing under the Patriot's celebrations. ( http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2...e-easy-way-out, http://daysofyorr.com/2017-articles/...on-bruins.html)

3. Bringing Julien as a "consultant" for any team, including the Flames, almost guarantees the undercutting of the Head Coach (See Ken Hitchcock/Mike Yeo/St. Louis, as an example).

4. There will be a bidding war fueled by delusional franchises (say, Vancouver) that believe that a SC winning HC can perform miracles with a fading roster (see Boston, until today, as an example!) and teams that can actually improve the quality of coaching with a Julien (gotta think Montreal will join in on the bidding, now, with a Bilingual, French descended, SC winning, guy, like Julien, available, especially if they stumble, again, under Thierrien.)

5. Julien can afford to be patient, as he will be collecting a salary for over a year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As I said in another thread, people have to accept GG is not going anywhere this year.

Yup. I would imagine the conversation with all candidates this year was along the lines of "we are still rebuilding, you will have at least a year to work with the team".

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he has run his course but I believe the performance of that team is more indicative of the overall talent of the roster not the coach. It's a shame the Flames are going to lose out on another quality head coach capable of taking this franchise where it wants to go but I just can't see Treliving firing his guy a season into his tenure. The Gulutzan hire was really unfortunate for this franchise as he's not the answer and the organization is going to waste two seasons proving that.

Yep.

Should've held on to Bob until options like these opened up. For a guy that's all about process, Treliving sure moved his hand prematurely on that one, when there wasn't even a lateral move available to be made.

He will stick with GG cause it was his left field "diamond in the rough" hire and he will want to give it every chance to pan out, even though I don't think it ultimately will.

It's not that the team has been terrible, it's had flashes under GG. But my greatest concern is the lack of player development under him. Nearly all the young core players have stalled or taken steps back in some capacity. And overall there is a lack of resiliency and belief that was once there. It's had flashes the past few week, but I have the sinking feeling the GG experiment may cost us two straight years of potential playoffs. I really think a veteran coach could get more out of this team and its top players.

Let's hope GG shows that he can lead a team to better than a hair above .500 middle of the road season. Cause that's been career his track record as a HC so far, and this season looks to be status quo.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I doubt Julien really wants to coach a team like the Flames. Right now the Flames maybe have one top 10 player in the league at his position. Other than that it's a pretty underwhelming roster.

Expecting a team to be much better than what it currently has with this roster is a bit out of touch if you ask me.

For what he's getting paid...he can sit and wait for a team with better pieces to come calling.

Realistically the Jets should be on the horn here.

Haha, the Jets?

Oh yeah, significant upgrade..

[Igottago]

There's way too much concern about optics. The team doesn't have to be abysmal to make a coaching change. Just ask yourself who you would rather have coaching the next 2 seasons? Who would get better results? If the answer is Julien the organization should be pursuing this aggressively. The priority should be winning, not being the nice guys of the NHL. Its unfortunate from an HR perspective but that's sports.

[nemanja2306]

Honestly, I'm shocked people are defending GG.

He's terrible. All our star players are regressing in his tenure. What are the odds that all of Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan and Giordano struggle at the same time. It's the system and it's obvious GG doesn't know how to utilize his best players.

The fact that he doesn't go into the locker room after games is just shocking. His overusage of Chiasson is as well. His stuborness to move Brodie to his natural side is criminal. And what the hell does he see in Wideman?

Sadly, he's not going anywhere this year. Earliest I see him getting fired l, and he will, is next midseason (30-ish games).

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[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

December 1st 2002 Sharks Fire Darryl Sutter
December 3rd 2002 Flames fire Greg Gilbert
December 28th 2002 Flames hire Darryl Sutter

Maybe three weeks isn't a scoop but pretty darn close. There was a power struggle between Ken King and then GM Craig Button on the coach hiring, Button wanted Playfair IIRC. Might have been a faster hire if not for that.

I'm pretty sure one of the conditions from Darryl was that he got some time off, and didn't have to start until after xmas. I think they had agreed in principle the day Gilbert was fired.

[Zoller]

I remember someone bringing up some statistic about coaches being fired. I seem to remember there were no coaches that were fired in their first year.

As much as I'd rather have Julien over Gully you'd have to think another team is going to snatch him up before Gully is fired.

[bax]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Honestly, I'm shocked people are defending GG.

He's terrible. All our star players are regressing in his tenure. What are the odds that all of Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan and Giordano struggle at the same time. It's the system and it's obvious GG doesn't know how to utilize his best players.

The fact that he doesn't go into the locker room after games is just shocking. His overusage of Chiasson is as well. His stuborness to move Brodie to his natural side is criminal. And what the hell does he see in Wideman?

Sadly, he's not going anywhere this year. Earliest I see him getting fired l, and he will, is next midseason (30-ish games).

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Sure individual statistics of our core players are struggling, but we're in a much better position as a team this year when you look at record, possession, and special teams. Monahan has seemed to figure it out and Hamilton is having a career year. Brodie looks to be playing better lately too. If Johnny can get going this team can do some damage. Not to mention the 3M line.

Him not speaking to the team after games isn't shocking at all. It's completely normal in the NHL.

Over usage of Chaisson and Wideman I'll give you, but realistically what is the coach supposed to do? We don't have players to fill those roles right now. Thats on the GM to address.

I'm not saying GG is the best coach of all time or even the right coach for this team, but he hasn't been a failure or anything. He deserves at least 1.5 seasons before determining anything like that.

The simple fact is this team isn't ready to compete for a Stanley cup yet. We're still rebuilding and currently a playoff bubble team. No shame in that.

Over the next 2 seasons if we could add another top 4 defenseman, a top six RW, and maybe have someone from the farm come up and impress we will be a good team.

It's a big shopping list, but here's hoping

[badradio]

I'm up for anyone to come in to change the dynamic. it's boring hockey and at the end of the day I want to be entertained... and it's not about high scoring either... it's about work ethic, Wolfpack mentality, never being out of games, and being hungry all the time... Under GG there is none of that... I could see Julien bringing that fire...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Thoughts on Julien's firing:


4. There will be a bidding war fueled by delusional franchises (say, Vancouver) that believe that a SC winning HC can perform miracles with a fading roster (see Boston, until today, as an example!) and teams that can actually improve the quality of coaching with a Julien (gotta think Montreal will join in on the bidding, now, with a Bilingual, French descended, SC winning, guy, like Julien, available, especially if they stumble, again, under Thierrien.)

5. Julien can afford to be patient, as he will be collecting a salary for over a year.

These are the 2 biggest points to me.

Why would Julien come to the Flames? He is going to have a lot of teams offering him a job and he gets paid until the end of the season. He isn't going to be in a hurry to sign with the first time that comes knocking, especially one that has such little patience in coaches as this one. He will have a lot of choices, so hopping on a coaching carousel probably isn't going to be high on his list.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Igottago

There's way too much concern about optics. The team doesn't have to be abysmal to make a coaching change. Just ask yourself who you would rather have coaching the next 2 seasons? Who would get better results? If the answer is Julien the organization should be pursuing this aggressively. The priority should be winning, not being the nice guys of the NHL. Its unfortunate from an HR perspective but that's sports.

The organization is going to very quickly remove themselves from any self respecting coach and likely players radars if they start axing coaches left right and center without giving them even a full season to work with. Why would Julien take this job after GG was given 60% of season to work with? So he can be fired the second someone better enters the market? All of this in a season when GG has the team exactly where most who aren't passionate Flames fans would have them slotted this year, in the mix for a spot (and that's with way worse goaltending then forecasted).

None of that even includes the fact that the team needs stability. One of the reasons this season hasn't been better is the clear fact the team needed to get used to a new system and coach (compounded by a shorter training camp and two missing key players from the shortened training camp). The Flames picked their time to switch coaches, they selected their man (right or wrong) and now they need to live with and let their choice have his opportunity. Julien isn't the coach to becomes available that would make me throw all of the above out the window, even if he is an upgrade, he's not Quenville or Babcock.

Amazes me the #### GG gets on here, for basically having the team exactly where they should have expected to be. And that's with terrible net play and missing two key players from camp. Peoples expectations are completely messed, and I think it stems from the fact that the folks up North "seemingly" leap frogged us in the rebuild this year, doubly skewing peoples expectations and sheer ability to handle this teams progression.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Honestly, I'm shocked people are defending GG.

He's terrible. All our star players are regressing in his tenure. What are the odds that all of Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan and Giordano struggle at the same time. It's the system and it's obvious GG doesn't know how to utilize his best players.

The fact that he doesn't go into the locker room after games is just shocking. His overusage of Chiasson is as well. His stuborness to move Brodie to his natural side is criminal. And what the hell does he see in Wideman?

Sadly, he's not going anywhere this year. Earliest I see him getting fired l, and he will, is next midseason (30-ish games).

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Monahan had 17 goals and 39 points after 55 games last year this year he has 19 goals and 35 points after 55 games despite missing most of training camp with a back injury.

Gaudreau is 9 points off of his pace from last year despite missing all of training camp, and breaking his hand.

The regression argument is garbage quite honestly and is more about people creating reasons to not like the new coach.

[polak]

You can't sit there and tell me that Gaudreau looks anything like he did last year.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SixPoundBurrito

You can't sit there and tell me that Gaudreau looks anything like he did last year.

Maybe he shouldn't have missed training camp then.

Has little to nothing to do with the coach...all on the player and also his injury plays a part as well.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SixPoundBurrito

You can't sit there and tell me that Gaudreau looks anything like he did last year.

He would look a lot more like the Gaudreau of last year if he drove the net once in a while.

[polak]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe he shouldn't have missed training camp then.

Has little to nothing to do with the coach...all on the player and also his injury plays a part as well.

I think its all on the coach. Gaudreau excels in every competition until GG shows up.

The constant button hooking at the blue line is clearly something that is part of GGs system and its totally neutralized Gaudreau this season. That and i think the slashing is getting to him and GG seems to be afraid of talking to the refs about anything besides poor challenges.