Tipping- Part XLV

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So, so wrong. They don't get hourly rates, they're only paid per delivery.

Didn't that end years and years ago?

I mean I had buddies in High School getting paid hourly to deliver pizzas

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So, so wrong. They don't get hourly rates, they're only paid per delivery.

lol yes they do, unless they're doing it completely off the books and evading tax.

Boston pizza and basically every other major pizza place pays an hourly wage. That's fact.

[Fuzz]

Pizza 73:

Delivery Driver – Offered as both full-time and part-time employment, delivery driver jobs with Pizza 73 involve delivering hot, fresh, and quality pizzas and wings to hungry patrons. Applicants must possess a clean driving record, transportation, and great customer service skills. Hiring managers seek qualified applicants with positive attitudes, friendly personalities, and great organizational skills. Pizza 73 delivery drivers begin hourly pay at minimum wage and may increase to $10.00, plus tips.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-driver-securi...ationFlag=true

A town of 6500 likely needs to pay their drivers hourly as they wouldn't get anyone other wise.

Calgary is strictly per delivery and the going rate is $3.00-$3.50 a delivery.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pizza 73:

This must be in America. I know for a fact pizza73 does not pay hourly in Calgary.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol yes they do, unless they're doing it completely off the books and evading tax.

Boston pizza and basically every other major pizza place pays an hourly wage. That's fact.

No it's not fact. It's completely wrong. They don't have to evade taxes at all.
all they have to do is hire someone on a sub contract basis and pay them per delivery.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No it's not fact. It's completely wrong. They don't have to evade taxes at all.

all they have to do is hire someone on a sub contract basis and pay them per delivery.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-bar-food-hosp...ationFlag=true

You receive tips and an hourly wage just like our servers

As I said, Boston Pizza in CALGARY pays an hourly wage, as do the majority of places. Fact.

[calgaryblood]

Lol that's looking for someone to drive their company vehicle. 99.9 % use their own vehicle. Don't be silly.

[Fuzz]

So not only do they not have to own a vehicle and pay for gas and depreciate it, they also get hourly wages and tips? Sounds like the best deal ever. That doesn't strengthen your position here...

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So not only do they not have to own a vehicle and pay for gas and depreciate it, they also get hourly wages and tips? Sounds like the best deal ever. That doesn't strengthen your position here...

I don't need to strengthen it, I know for a fact. It's no wonder there's people who don't tip when they don't even understand how their delivery driver gets paid.

And notice the between 11am and 4pm? Why do you think that is?

[Huntingwhale]

I always tip and I tip pretty well. I know the servers and staff generally appreciate it and for the most part I get excellent service in most places. But in my heart, I hate it. I hate how it's a 'custom' here and you are looked down upon if you don't. Having travelled to many countries in Europe and around the world where it is in fact not customary, it GMG even more that it's so ingrained in our North American culture.

[albertGQ]

For people who choose not to tip, please let your server or pizza delivery guy know beforehand. If you think it's acceptable behaviour, you would have no issues being up front about it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

For people who choose not to tip, please let your server or pizza delivery guy know beforehand. If you think it's acceptable behaviour, you would have no issues being up front about it.

The problem with this is it emphasizes that service should be influenced
By tipping. It shouldn't.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Is your dim sum place Tpot, Forbidden City, Pebble Street, Suns, or Calgary Court? If so, then the owner keeps all the tips, so I tip nothing when I go to any of his restaurants. Guy at one point bragged that he was able to buy his AMG Mercedes on tips alone.

I've heard this before from friends and family. Is this actually fact or is it speculation? I will continue tipping at those places until I know for sure it's all going to the owner. How do they continue to find people to work there if the owner keeps all the tips?

[Ducay]

Even if Pizza delivery guys are paid minimum wage, the argument is that they're most often not compensated for mileage (gas, insurance, wear) which effectively means that they earn less than minimum wage if you stiff them a tip.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I don't need to strengthen it, I know for a fact. It's no wonder there's people who don't tip when they don't even understand how their delivery driver gets paid.

And notice the between 11am and 4pm? Why do you think that is?

This is actually a really good argument for getting rid of tipping altogether. Although I can certainly feel for someone making a crappy wage doing a crappy job, it's not up to the customer to be intimately familiar with how every single service industry providor gets paid. I don't know how pizza guys get paid, it's not my responsibility. It's not unreasonable to think different pizza joints pay their drivers differently as well. All I know is how much I'm paying for the pizza, which should be the only thing consumers should care about. Employers need to charge however much it takes to pay employees enough to retain their services and make a profit and then the consumer can judge.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by snootchiebootchies

I've heard this before from friends and family. Is this actually fact or is it speculation? I will continue tipping at those places until I know for sure it's all going to the owner. How do they continue to find people to work there if the owner keeps all the tips?

That's what one of the waitresses that works there tells us. I guess she could be BSing, but I'm not sure why she would. As to how they find people to work, they get paid a decent per hour wage, they just don't get any tip. Probably why service isn't the best at any of these places.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

For people who choose not to tip, please let your server or pizza delivery guy know beforehand. If you think it's acceptable behaviour, you would have no issues being up front about it.

Well, it is acceptable behaviour, regardless of what you think. As a server, I expected that I would make extra money in tips, but I did not expect every single customer to tip, nor was it upsetting when someone didn't.

Much like the note issue, this kind of behaviour just reinforces the idea that the quality of work I put in would be based solely on the customer's approval, and not in any way related to personal standards or work standards.

If you take pride in doing a good job regardless of the extra thanks, your "solution" is condescending in my opinion.

That's just me though. Having been there, I still think we need to get rid of tipping altogether. It's past the point in a lot of jobs where you "need" it, and it reinforces a negative culture between the customer and the employee. Tipping should exist only when you, personally, think service was absolutely exceptional. There shouldn't be a standard.

[Jason14h]

Man just throw the pizza delivery a few bucks !!!!

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Man just throw the pizza delivery a few bucks !!!!

I personally tip the pizza guy but I rarely order delivery. I will go out of the way to pick up my pizza myself because I don't like paying the extra delivery charge and a tip. I'm sure a lot of people see the delivery charge and think it's going to the driver though, that's not unreasonable at all. Which goes back to my point of it not being up to comsumers to know which places pay their drivers which way.