[News] Gaudreau will have surgery to repair fractured finger (out ~6 weeks)

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The other thing that hasn't been talked about is if Johnny was wearing his wrist guards or not. I remember something from his first season where a took a slash to the wrist and commented after about how he doesn't wear wrist guards because they restrict his movement.

Don't get me wrong, though. The "it's your own fault for not wearing wrist guards" thing is absolutely not an excuse for the refs to not call this stuff.

His finger is broken. Wrist is apparently fine.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by united

More confirmation on the officials botching this. Also why didn't Gulutzan blow his top when the third and final one occurred, especially after the chat?


Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Gulutzan says they addressed Gaudreau treatment with officials following the second period. #Flames

Because grown men shouldn't be throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing.

There's a lot to criticize Gulutzan on, but the people saying he needs to get mad all the time need to give it a rest.

[Bill Bumface]

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[Flash Walken]

Whenever I've seen my boss lose hit #### I've been embarrassed for him, not motivated.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Can you explain why hockey players would be incapable of learning a bit of self-control? Is "OGG! Hit enemy with stick!" so ingrained in our DNA that the idea of a game without slashing is a fantasy?

Baseball players have adapted to the new restrictions on 2nd-base slides within the first year...and "breaking up the double play" has been a part of baseball for decades. Why couldn't hockey players adapt?

Obviously because there is a very big part of the NHL community that still feels and agrees that this kind of behavior is part of the game.

Baseball has moved past the new restrictions because it was applied and called without exceptions. Yes, there were some issues(Bautista/Texas) but for the most part players knew that they more than likely couldn't get away from it.

It is obvious that NHL players feel they can get away with a slash because of the officiating lets them feel that way.

[stemit14]

I can't stand the argument: "You can't call every slash cause then it'll be a constant run to the penalty box"... so what?! If that's what it takes to protect players then so be it. If the refs called all of it and had to blow a whistle every 30 seconds than so be it. The players will learn very quickly how the game is going to be called.


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[Joborule]

#### the NHL. This is the result when they refuse to protect their players properly.

[FlamesAddiction]

Hopefully refs are getting fined behind the scenes. Missing a call here or there is one thing, but blatantly ignoring stuff should be punishable.

[united]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Because grown men shouldn't be throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing.

There's a lot to criticize Gulutzan on, but the people saying he needs to get mad all the time need to give it a rest.

Better tell that to Joel Quenville, Gregg Popovich, Bill Belichick, Sir Alex Ferguson. All embarrassing grown men for blowing their tops now and again.

First time I've said he should have gotten mad, ever, so not sure where "all the time" is from.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by 868904

I bet if you measured the times a player got hooked or tripped that resulted in a penalty versus the times a player got slashed on the hands that result in a penalty, there would be a much higher percentage of penalties called for the hook or tripped compared to the slash.

A hook is a penalty, a trip is a penalty.

Why isn't a slash on the hands? A slash on the hands of a puck carrier should be an automatic two minutes, just like a high stick to the face is.

I'm not sure why so many instances of a slash on the hands of puck carrier don't get called. It's baffling.

21 times in one game and no penalty, and results in a broken finger to one of the games stars. Unbelievable.

Gio is kind of right in that, what can the players do? Are they going to take 21 instigators? It's up to the officials to call a penalty when an infraction occurs. For some reason, a slash to the hands is "just part of the game", despite what the rule book says.

No, you don't have to take 21 instigators. Maybe you just take the one. If things don't change, then you pick their best player and start hacking them on the wrists too as often as possible. Or you start playing chippy and making sure you finish as many checks as possible against a few of their star players - and make sure they are clean - to get the point across.

Refs aren't going to call all those slashes against you either, and they are not going to call penalties on all big clean hits. You don't necessarily have to drop the gloves, or jump a guy, but you can respond as a team. If Boudreau can utilize that game plan, why can't the Flames make an in-game adjustment and do likewise?

I am not calling for two handed chops to the head, or cross-checks to the teeth, or dropping your gloves and jumping someone totally 'gooning' them. However, if a team is a team, there should be some push-back. Flames don't show it enough, and don't have a PP that allows them to use it as a deterrent either (even if the refs chose to call a couple).

You simply push back and make it known that the Flames stick up for one another, and don't shy away from some of the nasty stuff that goes on during games. The least you can do as a team is muck it up after the whistle, start crashing the net a bit (without Johnny, life sucks for the Flames, but without Dubynk, life sucks for the Wild too). I don't endorse the Flames play cheap all the time - especially gooning it up - but they should adjust.

Either way, they send a response. The response is either "Don't try this with us, or we will give it back to you." or "This definitely works against us, and we are unwilling to do a thing about it, so can we have more please?". That's the response the Flames kept sending the Wild last night. All the Wild ended up doing was obliging, really.

[habernac]

It's ridiculous. They're always looking for ways to improve the game. How about calling what's in the rulebook?

No one tunes in to watch some lumberjack chop down a star player. It's the only sport where "the whistle gets put away" in a tight game. Call the penalties.

Holding is still holding in football in the 4th quarter. The refs won't be deciding the game. The idiot who committed the foul will be.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

The refs and the league should be embarrassed.
You'd think the NHL would want to promote an American born, college and international champion, highly-skilled, two time all-star player.

When Patrick Kane starts receiving vicious two handers, we'll see the league step in.

Oh look, guess who's coming to town on Friday

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by habernac

It's ridiculous. They're always looking for ways to improve the game. How about calling what's in the rulebook?

No one tunes in to watch some lumberjack chop down a star player. It's the only sport where "the whistle gets put away" in a tight game. Call the penalties.

Holding is still holding in football in the 4th quarter. The refs won't be deciding the game. The idiot who committed the foul will be.

1000% agree. When they cracked down on obstruction in 06 they were getting it right. A penalty is a penalty no matter when it happens.

Refs have gone back to make up calls and hidden whistles. It's an embarrassment.

[JohnnyT]

Man, what a crappy couple weeks for NHL injuries.

Seth Jones out 3 weeks with a fracture in his foot
Duchene concussed
Johnny out weeks
Hall out 3-4 weeks with a torn meniscus
Stamkos headed back to Tampa for evaluation

[Flash Walken]

Losing your cool in command is something Capt. Sobel would do.

Keeping a level head and focusing on the objective is something Capt. Winters would do.

I know who I'd rather serve under.

[Southside]

Someone in Management absolutely has to say something publicly. This is a serious situation, the coach called the on-ice officials on it during the second intermission. The slashes, with no penalty calls continued into the third period and now our star player, one of the best young players in the game is injured and out of action for 4-6 weeks. That is complete bush league. If Burke, or Tre or whoever is afraid of a fine in this situation then I have completely given them too much credit. Call a spade a spade and pay the fine if need be.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

No, you don't have to take 21 instigators. Maybe you just take the one. If things don't change, then you pick their best player and start hacking them on the wrists too as often as possible. Or you start playing chippy and making sure you finish as many checks as possible against a few of their star players - and make sure they are clean - to get the point across.

Refs aren't going to call all those slashes against you either, and they are not going to call penalties on all big clean hits. You don't necessarily have to drop the gloves, or jump a guy, but you can respond as a team. If Boudreau can utilize that game plan, why can't the Flames make an in-game adjustment and do likewise?

I am not calling for two handed chops to the head, or cross-checks to the teeth, or dropping your gloves and jumping someone totally 'gooning' them. However, if a team is a team, there should be some push-back. Flames don't show it enough, and don't have a PP that allows them to use it as a deterrent either (even if the refs chose to call a couple).

You simply push back and make it known that the Flames stick up for one another, and don't shy away from some of the nasty stuff that goes on during games. The least you can do as a team is muck it up after the whistle, start crashing the net a bit (without Johnny, life sucks for the Flames, but without Dubynk, life sucks for the Wild too). I don't endorse the Flames play cheap all the time - especially gooning it up - but they should adjust.

Either way, they send a response. The response is either "Don't try this with us, or we will give it back to you." or "This definitely works against us, and we are unwilling to do a thing about it, so can we have more please?". That's the response the Flames kept sending the Wild last night. All the Wild ended up doing was obliging, really.

Dumba didn't even take an instigator for dropping his gloves and jumping Hathaway. Standing up for teammates isn't that hard.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Losing your cool in command is something Capt. Sobel would do.

Keeping a level head and focusing on the objective is something Capt. Winters would do.

I know who I'd rather serve under.

[Flames89]

We were spoiled with the Iggy years. Slash his knuckles one too many times and you will end up eating them.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

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Good decision.