[Rumour] HNIC: Coyotes and Penguins kicking tires on D. Hamilton

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Itse

I'm afraid they might. I still remember when Darryl Sutter went crazy with trades.

I'm worried that Treliving might do stupid and desperate crap trying to save his coach and in extension himself. (Because the Gulutzan hire makes Treliving look terrible right now.)

Yeah no kidding - Hamilton for MAF?

[Stupid]

I understand the trade sentiments but when very few players are performing up to their potential what reason do we have the new player brought in will thrive on our team?

I think the most important move we can make is a systems or coaching move. That said I don't think we make any coaching moves until there are better options out there which I don't think there are at the moment. All of the prior leads me to believe the only logical improvement we'll implement is adapting systems

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

All your post shows is that Hartley and GG suck.

Maybe if he got more minutes, we'd do better?

Either that or he's just not that good people think he is.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

Either that or he's just not that good people think he is.

I would say Timbit's assessment is far closer to reality than yours is, however. Moving Hamilton does not make the team better. Certainly not when moving him for 'hope' - which is all a deal to make cap space would be.

[ricardodw]

It is amazing that people see what they want to see.

Hamilton being on the ice for the month of November is basically offering the opposing team a Power Play.

He is -10 over the last 6 games!!

The Flame have given up 5 PP goals in November. They have given up at least 10 goals at even strength with Hamilton on the ice.

The Flames could improve twice as much defensively by benching Hamilton as they could by playing penalty free hockey.

It makes sense that Arizona would be one of the teams looking at Hamilton.

They feel that he has reached the point where they expect the Flames to kick in extra for the cap relief like they got for Bolland, Datsyk and Pronger.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It is amazing that people see what they want to see.

You have absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever, do you?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I would say Timbit's assessment is far closer to reality than yours is, however. Moving Hamilton does not make the team better. Certainly not when moving him for 'hope' - which is all a deal to make cap space would be.

Keeping him is based on emotional and increasingly illogical hope that he will somehow understand the game and improve and the Flames won't be also-rans for another 4 years.

[Alpine Fisher]

Ever since we acquired Hamilton we have sucked. We advanced to the second round in the playoffs prior to his arrival

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[devo22]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

Ever since we acquired Hamilton we have sucked. We advanced to the second round in the playoffs prior to his arrival

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same goes for Frolik, who's been one of the best players this year. Point not valid.

Blaming the lack of success on a single player makes no sense at all.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by devo22

same goes for Frolik, who's been one of the best players this year. Point not valid.

Blaming the lack of success on a single player makes no sense at all.

Frolik has played up to expectations..... Is he that much of an upgrade on Byron?

Is Hamilton an upgrade on Schlemko?

Having Hamilton and Frolik making 10M has resulted in Chaisson playing on the #1 line.

[devo22]

why are people going nuts over Byron all of a sudden? Holy cow. He had 6 and 7 goals in his two seasons in Calgary and was nothing more than an energy player on the 4th line. And suddenly we discuss whether Frolik is an upgrade because streaky Byron has had a hot start? Good riddance.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by devo22

same goes for Frolik, who's been one of the best players this year. Point not valid.

Blaming the lack of success on a single player makes no sense at all.

Thing is frolik was free and we paid a handsome price for dougie. That raises expectations and on paper he was what this team needed to elevate to the next level.

I just don't see the fire in him that you see in doughty, Keith and seabrook. That's the type of defenceman that cup winning teams have. This may be harsh but I see bouwmeester v 2.0 and the parallels are not dissimilar. We brought in bouw with much fanfare and it turned out to be a step back.

Can't also wonder if the chemistry has been disrupted in the locker room. We had a bunch that played for each other and that seems to have been lost. Not on dougie as he's not in charge of personnel but I think the mix may not be right. Fortunately Burke has shown an ability to pivot in moves in the past (and I'm assuming he's support and guide Treliving on this) and cut bait on moves that haven't worked out (see versteeg in Toronto)

[flamesforcup]

I dont understand why Ricardo gets all his hate, his points are 100% true imo. Why do people think Dougies some #3 dman. Do people have their heads up their asses? Do they not see all the defensive mishaps he makes every game and the boneheaded plays? I myself have been ignorant to this and listened to everyone else here and thought he would get out of it but he hasn't. Its not like hes that great offensively either for people watching. Maybe he has the point totals but most of his points are sort of how Hudlers points were last year: might have some production but making no difference. He is a huge liability with an anchor of a contract. People need to take off their red colored glasses and realize as soon as hes traded we will be a much better team. The coaches are not idiots he plays #5 mins for a reason and was not selected for team canada for a reason. Im happy to think that Treliving feels the same way as theres trade rumors coming. I hope for the good of this team he gets dealt.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by timbit

After last season, how was he the second highest scoring D over the last 2 seasons of all D under 23?
How is he the leading scoring D on the Flames this season?

You want to trade that skill , youth and size?

Maybe we need to focus on the darlings....Gio and Brodie.

They have been much worse and are more experienced than Hamilton.

Maybe if u actually watched him play instead of blind stat watching u would realize hes garbage. The fact that some people call him a top young d is laughable.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Maybe if u actually watched him play instead of blind stat watching u would realize hes garbage. The fact that some people call him a top young d is laughable.

The fact that some people call him garbage is laughable.

[CliffFletcher]

Hamilton isn't garbage. He isn't the top-pairing guy a lot of fans assumed they were getting, either. He's a big guy who can skate pretty well and has a good shot. That's about it. He's poor defensively, and doesn't appear to think the game very well. And he has no grit or intensity to speak of.

He's looking like he'll develop into a #4 d-man who's a pp specialist. You're either going to have to pair him with a very good defensive-minded partner, or find some other way to shelter him from dangerous opponents.

And for fans who assume he will get better defensively, they might want to consider that defense prospects are rated on their hockey IQ and defensive play for a reason - teams don't simply draft the most offensively talented d-men and assume the defensive part of their game will automatically improve to reliable NHL level. A lot of players who are bad on the defensive side of the puck at 17 are still bad at 27.

[Classic_Sniper]

All one has to do is look at the facts to realize that Hamilton is just not the right player for this team going forward.

Facts:

- Team worst -23 in 98 games as a Flame
- 5th in overall ice-time among defensemen on the team under Hartley and Gulutzen
- 7th in even strength ice time among defensemen on the team under Gulutzen
- 2nd among defensemen in turnovers among defensemen as a Flame
- 2nd most minor penalties among defensemen as a Flame

Despite the fact that he's the 2nd highest paid defensemen on the team with $5.75M. It's obvious to me that Dougie just doesn't play well enough to earn the trust of his coaches. Whether its his poor defensive plays, costly turnovers or too many bad penalties; something about his game is just not good enough. He's playing third pairing minutes or even worse, 7th in EV ice time behind every defensemen on the team outside of Grossman. You have to ask yourself, how much would the team miss him if he was traded? I honestly don't think they would.

I get that he's 23 and has a lot of physical tools to potentially excel, but this is also his 5th season in the NHL. How many more years in the NHL will he need to finally figure it out? I just don't see him all of a sudden becoming a good defensive player in the snap of a finger after everything I've seen.

[indes]

Most defenseman don't hit their stride until their late 20s. If we trade Dougie I look forward to the eventual 'stralmaning'. I agree he's got a ways to go but the tools are there, give him a few more years to reach his peak.

[nik-]

I kind of want the Flames to trade Dougie just to see what ricardow's next crusade will be.

[albertGQ]

I wonder what we'd have to add to Hamilton in order to get Strome and Chychrun from the Yotes. Probably too much that it's not worth it