[News] Grossmann on waivers. UPD: Assigned to Stockton

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I get the logistics of signing Grossmann for maximizing cap purposes, but why the hell did we let him play? Perhaps Treliving should have told Gulutzan to staple his ass into the press box. I can't even fathom how he got another game after the Edmonton one. Keegan Kanzig would have done better, and he's in the ECHL.

There are probably a dozen players out there without contracts that have NHL upside and would take the same deal.

The best I can guess is that Grossman is a good guy to have around and they probably wanted one that would easily pass through waivers at some point.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I still don't understand why he was signed to a one-way.

Probably because the Flames don't care about the $575k as much as they do the LTIR relief for Smid, and because Grossman wouldn't sign a two way.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would rather that the Flames sign a depth defencemen than not sign one and find themselves having to play Giordano and Brodie north of 25 minutes a game for a long stretch. People also forget that Grossman was 'decent' if unspectacular during the preseason. 500K is nothing.

We also don't know if Treliving tried to find other depth defencemen to sign. Nakladal stated that the Flames were trying to work something out with him as well. The Gaudreau negotiations interfered with that. They found a guy with NHL experience and who brought a different element to the team, and who was willing to sign for so cheap and allow the Flames to get extremely close to the cap in order to maximize the LTIR benefit.

Lots of overreaction here.

Wish Grossman the best, and hope a team picks him off and he has a chance to continue his NHL career, and if not, I wish him the best in his next chapter on life.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I´d get signing Grossman if we ran into some injuries on the backend, but not at camp. And it´s not even because he had a mediocre camp. Why not let one of the kids prove they can/can´t hack it before signing a guy like this. Would Wotherspoon really have been much worse or given up the puck more?

It was a bookkeeping signing, it had nothing to do with the playing level of others in the organization. Playing him is the dubious decision.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Glad to see the mistake not linger on.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would rather that the Flames sign a depth defencemen than not sign one and find themselves having to play Giordano and Brodie north of 25 minutes a game for a long stretch. People also forget that Grossman was 'decent' if unspectacular during the preseason.

Grossmann is nowhere near the level of a depth defenseman these days, and Grossmann wasn't really any good in pre-season either.

He's a bad hockey player and he should feel bad.

[N-E-B]

You never like seeing someone lose their job in the NHL, but... Can't say I'll lose sleep over this one.

[Nabber]

This is great news! I'd really like to see Hathaway recalled, not liking what Hamilton is bringing to the fourth line.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Robbob

You can bury up to 950k. His contract is less than that so sending will not result in a cap hit going forward.

Yes, so the Flames' total payroll will go down $575,000, which is the value of his contract.

[sticktrick]

Bout time! He shouldn't be playing pro hockey anymore (at least not at the NHL level). His time has passed. If I were one of the Flames owners, I'd be irate about these types of signings...just like flushing money down the toilet, and it's all due to personal politics and previous friendships. The Grossman signing falls on both GG and BT.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Sorry why did we sign this guy?

Size. Treliving wanted to bulk up for when we faced big teams. But that performance against LA dramatically revealed that he simply isn't good enough to even be a passable NHLer anymore, even in the one scenario he was supposed to be useful in.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

You never like seeing someone lose their job in the NHL, but... Can't say I'll lose sleep over this one.

Hes had a good career, hes still getting paid, and I believe he gets to keep more of his money because the Tax rates in California are lower than here (pretty much anywhere other than Quebec is lower than here) and in the AHL he doesnt have to pay into escrow.

So its not all bad from Grossman's perspective either.

[Machiavelli]

Saw this coming

Grossmann should thank his stars a team found an opportunity to use him in this way. He gets another half mil to ride into the sunset with

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sticktrick

Bout time! He shouldn't be playing pro hockey anymore (at least not at the NHL level). His time has passed. If I were one of the Flames owners, I'd be irate about these types of signings...just like flushing money down the toilet, and it's all due to personal politics and previous friendships. The Grossman signing falls on both GG and BT.

I don't think the owners are morons .When a PTO guy signs for league minimum , I'm pretty sure the owners know what they are getting themselves into. At best he was going to be pressbox filler.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Grossmann is nowhere near the level of a depth defenseman these days, and Grossmann wasn't really any good in pre-season either.

He's a bad hockey player and he should feel bad.

I was not in favor of the signing, but there were a handful of people that were very ok with it. He wasn't terrible - and as the preseason wore on, he started looking better. Most people shrugged it off when he was signed. Now people are acting like it was such a huge deal.

The last comment really irks me. Grossman the human being probably just saw his career end, and you are stating he he should feel bad. When you can no longer perform your job adequately, is that what you want to hear? It may sound like I am some 'righteous weirdo', and Grossman will more than likely never see your comments, but I still think one should show a little class and humility when seeing another human being's dream come to an end. It isn't like Grossman is Matt Cooke or something, or has in some way disgraced the Flames. He did his best out there, but the game has just passed him by. No need to kick him while he is down, is there?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I was not in favor of the signing, but there were a handful of people that were very ok with it. He wasn't terrible - and as the preseason wore on, he started looking better. Most people shrugged it off when he was signed. Now people are acting like it was such a huge deal.

The last comment really irks me. Grossman the human being probably just saw his career end, and you are stating he he should feel bad. When you can no longer perform your job adequately, is that what you want to hear? It may sound like I am some 'righteous weirdo', and Grossman will more than likely never see your comments, but I still think one should show a little class and humility when seeing another human being's dream come to an end. It isn't like Grossman is Matt Cooke or something, or has in some way disgraced the Flames. He did his best out there, but the game has just passed him by. No need to kick him while he is down, is there?

haha, wow. Easy there white knight, it's an internet meme.



I meant it to be light-hearted. But yes, he's really, really bad at hockey at this point in his career, and I think he knows this too.

And I don't owe him anything. He did nothing to help my team and possibly single-handedly cost them games that will hurt their chances at the playoffs.

[Shazam]

If the bar for players is going to be "well, at least they didn't harm us!", it's going to be a long season.

Rather than maximizing LTIR space or whatever the hell, perhaps the team could focus on maximizing wins. Or even providing better entertainment.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Rather than maximizing LTIR space or whatever the hell, perhaps the team could focus on maximizing wins. Or even providing better entertainment.

Why can't they do both? Or try anyway, it's not like there is some magical solution to fixing this team.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I still don't understand why he was signed to a one-way.

The only difference between a two way and a one way is that with a 1 way your salary is guaranteed at one level whether you play in the NHL or the AHL. With a two way contract, you have an NHL Salary level and a lower AHL salary level. It doesn't effect waiver eligibility, or transfers from the farm, or anything else. Also, as some posters already mentioned, he is below the 950K max that you can bury in the AHL. So it makes no difference whatsoever to the salary cap situation for the flames. As for the repercussions of paying Grossmann 575K to play or sit in the AHL for the remainder of the season.....who gives a rats a$$? Its not your money. All that matters is that hes gone, and we have 30 days to bring him back without having to clear waivers again when we need additional "truculence". LOL

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Why can't they do both? Or try anyway, it's not like there is some magical solution to fixing this team.

Priority should be setting up a winning team. Not futzing around during pre-season with a bunch of PTO losers and trying to be smart by saving $500K while not actually improving the team.