Hamilton for Trouba trade. Why not?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

What i believe is happening on CP right now is that we gave up a considerable amount to acquire hamilton, that posters feel the need to defend him. Even though if we were to hook up every poster to a lie detector and ask them "have you been disappointed with dougie hamiltons play?" They would answer "no". And thenlie detector would find it to be a lie. People cant just admit they have been disappointed with him and his play

Please stop posting in this thread. You are so uneducated on Dougie Hamilton that it's not even worth a debate.

We didn't give up a lot to acquire Hamilton. Edmonton gave up almost as much to acquire an AHL defenseman.

Hamilton had a career year last year and is leading in shots taken this year. He could easily have 3 goals right now with some of the bullet's he has layed out on the power play.

Sweeney is seen as a terrible GM across the league and part of the reason is because of this trade.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Again, I don't think you know more than Kelly Hrudey (who supports my opinion) a former Stanley Cup winning goaltender who covered almost every game last year. It is you who is delusional thinking that a passive defenseman in a top pairing could affect the outcome of a tight playoff race. Completely delusional.

Not that it should matter to the quality of his opinion, but Kelly Hrudey is NOT a Stanley Cup-winning goaltender.

But what this does do is weather your own credibility. There are so many reaches and mis-statements in your posts that it is nearly impossible to take you seriously. Forgive me if I will need more than just your report of Hrudey's comments from Saturday's HNIC broadcast. I don't believe for a second that he supports your opinion in this.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Par

I don't know what the Jets would ask for(probably D.Hamilton+M.Tkachuk for Trouba, the ask is gigantic). If you could do get Trouba for D.Hamilton+1st Round pick(top15 protected), than you do it. But I don't think the Flames are going to trade Dougie, they just signed him to a long term contract.

What? Hamilton + a 1st for Trouba, and you think that would be good?
Trouba is maybe as good as Hamilton (although he brings other skills to the table), and Hamilton is going to be cheaper.
What you're suggesting is insane.

[FlamesFan68]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not that it should matter to the quality of his opinion, but Kelly Hrudey is NOT a Stanley Cup-winning goaltender.

But what this does do is weather your own credibility. There are so many reaches and mid-statements in your posts that it is nearly impossible to take you seriously. Forgive me if I will need more than just your report of Hrudey's comments from Saturday's HNIC broadcast. I don't believe for a second that he supports your opinion in this.

You are correct, Hrudey went to the finals in 93. Still an NHL tender that supports my position, which is heads and shoulders above some person arbitrarily calling someone delusional because they don't agree with your position. My credibility in question, not at all partner. LOL It is your credibility that should be questioned, supporting a player that may or may not work out at 23. Monahan is what? 21 I'm not questioning him. Geaudreau? 23? I don't question him. Bennett (I think could have used another year in junior), but no I don't question him, he's what? 20? Brodie at 23 was already a very very good defenseman.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

You are correct, Hrudey went to the finals in 93. Still an NHL tender that supports my position, which is heads and shoulders above some person arbitrarily calling someone delusional because they don't agree with your position. My credibility in question, not at all partner. LOL It is your credibility that should be questioned, supporting a player that may or may not work out at 23. Monahan is what? 21 I'm not questioning him. Geaudreau? 23? I don't question him. Bennett (I think could have used another year in junior), but no I don't question him, he's what? 20? Brodie at 23 was already a very very good defenseman.

You are the worst kind of poster. "Kelly Hrudey said so, one time on HNIC but I can't provide any proof to that."

Welcome to ignore.

[Knut]

Honestly. Trouba has just as many warts in his game as Hamilton does. As soon as the deal is made Trouba will instantly be expected to improve and in a year there will be a "woes of Jacob Trouba" thread. The Grass is not always greener on the other side.

[Roof-Daddy]

The extremely vocal minority is so bloody annoying.

[SuperMatt18]

Hamilton + Tkachuk or a 1st for Trouba?!?!/!?!

That would be the worst trade ever.

They should be adding to Trouba, or at best 1 for 1, not us adding a 1st rounder from our end.

[FlamesFan68]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You are the worst kind of poster. "Kelly Hrudey said so, one time on HNIC but I can't provide any proof to that."

Welcome to ignore.

OMG, I have to tie your shoelaces for you. I gave the broadcast and the day? What else, you want me to get the sports section for you. Sorry, ignore and bore.

[JiriHrdina]

I don't mean this is a shot to the broader community, because I include myself in this observation - but generally I think fans have a very poor understanding of what a good Dman looks like and what a bad one looks like.
Their mistakes are more glaring, so they demand a lot of the focus. And stats don't tell much of a story.
But for the most part, compared to assessing forwards and goalies, our ability as fans to really understand how a dman is performing, is really bad.

So I think that's in part why so much negativity gets focused on blueliners.

Too much nuance in their games, and stuff that happens off-camera that we simply don't see or understand.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

You are correct, Hrudey went to the finals in 93. Still an NHL tender that supports my position, which is heads and shoulders above some person arbitrarily calling someone delusional because they don't agree with your position. My credibility in question, not at all partner. LOL It is your credibility that should be questioned, supporting a player that may or may not work out at 23. Monahan is what? 21 I'm not questioning him. Geaudreau? 23? I don't question him. Bennett (I think could have used another year in junior), but no I don't question him, he's what? 20? Brodie at 23 was already a very very good defenseman.

I'm sorry but what the hell?

Dougie has proven he can produce at the NHL level, he is just as good as Brodie was at 23.

[Toonage]

In another month he'll be doing one of those ugly Xmas sweater ads and everyone will love him again.

On topic - We'd be nuts to move him. Just like Boston was.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by troutman

Calgary is currently 27th in goals against. Maybe it wasn't all on the goalies?

Elliott was certainly a big reason they lost game 1. He wasn't that great in game 2. Those were the games with lots of goals. Certainly the D wasn't great in either game (see Grossman/Wideman). It's settled down a lot, although Gio and Brody have still had a tough time puck handling. Hamilton has been just fine over the last couple games. Mistake free? No, but who is. But I haven't seen any glaring mistakes either. The puck that went in off him last night was more on Johnson than Hamilton.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't mean this is a shot to the broader community, because I include myself in this observation - but generally I think fans have a very poor understanding of what a good Dman looks like and what a bad one looks like.
Their mistakes are more glaring, so they demand a lot of the focus. And stats don't tell much of a story.
But for the most part, compared to assessing forwards and goalies, our ability as fans to really understand how a dman is performing, is really bad.

So I think that's in part why so much negativity gets focused on blueliners.

Too much nuance in their games, and stuff that happens off-camera that we simply don't see or understand.

So you're saying we should expose Gio in the expansion draft?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Please stop posting in this thread.

Please stop being so rude.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

What? Hamilton + a 1st for Trouba, and you think that would be good?
Trouba is maybe as good as Hamilton (although he brings other skills to the table), and Hamilton is going to be cheaper.
What you're suggesting is insane.

You think that Trouba is going to sign for more than 5.8 x 6?

That is more than Seth Jones, Ristolainen, Josi, Ekholm, Rielly, Ryan Murray, Connor Murphy, OEL, all signed for.

Hamilton got the biggest contract of all these comparable. There is no way that Hamilton is the best of this bunch and very little chance that he is in the top half of these guys in 3 years.

Trouba will sign for less than Hamilton even if he goes past Dec 1 and sits out a year.

Trouba is likely using Hamilton as his example and there are no other teams that would consider giving him the Hamilton deal now that the Flames have run out of cap space.

[FlamesFan68]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't mean this is a shot to the broader community, because I include myself in this observation - but generally I think fans have a very poor understanding of what a good Dman looks like and what a bad one looks like.
Their mistakes are more glaring, so they demand a lot of the focus. And stats don't tell much of a story.
But for the most part, compared to assessing forwards and goalies, our ability as fans to really understand how a dman is performing, is really bad.

So I think that's in part why so much negativity gets focused on blueliners.

Too much nuance in their games, and stuff that happens off-camera that we simply don't see or understand.

Goaltenders also fall under that microscope don't they? I supported Ramo when I thought the defense let him down. At the same time I tore a strip of Hiller who I thought went down too early and often. I didn't like Engelland when they first got him, he is now much better but not worth the money given to him. I've been watching hockey for more than 25 years, I'm not some young kid that thinks he knows everything after a few years. I appreciate good defensive play just as much as I appreciate offensive play.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

You are correct, Hrudey went to the finals in 93. Still an NHL tender that supports my position, which is heads and shoulders above some person arbitrarily calling someone delusional because they don't agree with your position. My credibility in question, not at all partner. LOL It is your credibility that should be questioned, supporting a player that may or may not work out at 23. Monahan is what? 21 I'm not questioning him. Geaudreau? 23? I don't question him. Bennett (I think could have used another year in junior), but no I don't question him, he's what? 20? Brodie at 23 was already a very very good defenseman.

Brodie had 28 points in 104 games played when he turned 23. Hamilton has 126 in 260 games. Hamilton's performance at 23 is years ahead of where Brodie was. Brodie had his first good year while he was 23, it put up 31 points.. Hamilton has already done that twice and just turned 23 this summer. Brodie at 23 was a just making the jump to the NHL and played half the previous season in the AHL.

[renny]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

You are correct, Hrudey went to the finals in 93. Still an NHL tender that supports my position, which is heads and shoulders above some person arbitrarily calling someone delusional because they don't agree with your position. My credibility in question, not at all partner. LOL It is your credibility that should be questioned, supporting a player that may or may not work out at 23. Monahan is what? 21 I'm not questioning him. Geaudreau? 23? I don't question him. Bennett (I think could have used another year in junior), but no I don't question him, he's what? 20? Brodie at 23 was already a very very good defenseman.

Please prove that Hrudy said what you claim he said with a link to the broadcast. If not you're just this guy


Also you're off your rocker if you think it we were one player away from making the playoffs last year.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

OMG, I have to tie your shoelaces for you. I gave the broadcast and the day? What else, you want me to get the sports section for you. Sorry, ignore and bore.

I watched the entire broadcast and don't remember him making a comment that leads to this conclusion at all.

You're exaggerating, and completely out on a limb, and (as mentioned previously) grasping at a straw and making things up to support a failed narrative.

This is getting outright painful to read.