[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[saillias]

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[JohnnyTitan]

This is my first post in any Johnny-Contract threads and I just want to open by saying I firmly believe Tre will get this done in time on budget and we'll all be happy.

But I want to follow-up by saying Thank You Flames management for keeping the negotiations private and professional. Lewis Gross is really starting to come across as a hack and I am starting to seriously dislike him.

No player is bigger than the team. Glad the Flames are digging their heels in, and I preface that statement with the blind assumption that they are not sending him insulting offers. They know where he slots in and I assume they are being fair.

There is no package I would be happy with. Just Johnny signed and in Calgary. Although I remember how the Nordiques made out after the Lindros trade and how the Cowboys made out after the Herschel Walker trade...if it came to something like that they sky wouldn't be falling. We'd reap a huge reward. (And I don't want to hear the Gilmour / Phaneuf counters...lol!)

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I tend to agree with you, but I'm not sure if everyone else does, including Treliving. Johnny would objectively land a package like we haven't seen in some time.

Schenn + Provorov + 1st would be pretty tempting.

Feels like this is a thread calming down the folks who feel like this contract thing is a serious issue or Johnny is on his way out of town.

Its true he would land a package but that doesnt mean it would be worth it. The way I see it whatever team gets the best player wins the trade. The trades purposed in this thread right now would be offensive to BT.

The gm knows its not a good idea to trade Gaudreau because he is only going into his 3rd year and nobody knows what his offensive ceiling will be. Nevermind the fact he is the darling of the city and Patrick Kane has been quoted saying he is a player worth the admission fee. I think he has something like 140 points in 160 games in his first 2 seasons.. Imagine experienced 28 year old Datsyukian Gaudreau. I dont think I could live with the idea of trading a young player like Johnny. We'd have to be getting something very special to say the least.

Boston NJ and Philly have maybe 7-8 players combined that would even get the ball rolling. Hall+Henrique, Bergeron+Marchand and Giroux+Provorov/Ghostbear/Konecny. Wouldnt even start talking to those teams if those names arent involved++. But it still makes no sense age/potential/$$ wise not to mention I'm sure the kid is happy here. Teams pay premiums for young 80+ point guys for a reason. They dont grow on trees. Once you find one you should probably hold on to them as long as you can no matter what.

[JohnnyTitan]

For what it's worth: $42.787878 million over six years equals (drum roll):
$7.131313

LOL!

[MissTeeks]

Reminder: Friedman will be on the Fan at 7:45 to discuss his article this morning.

[sureLoss]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-t...eau-situation/

One of the early topics of conversation for NHL Insider Bob McKenzie on a Monday morning radio hit on Montreal’s TSN 690 included the latest on restricted free agent Johnny Gaudreau, who is still without a contract.

“He doesn’t have any rights,” pointed out McKenzie. “He’s not even a restricted free agent. You couldn’t even give him an offer sheet if you wanted to because he’s only played two years in the league and you need three years to earn any kind of right to even be called a restricted free agent. So the Flames feel like he’s got no leverage, other than what he’s doing – which is to stay home.

“He wants a lot of money based on two really good years. His initial ask is believed to be over $8 million a year. I think the Flames want to do this under 7, and try to keep it more somewhere between Sean Monahan at 6.375 and Mark Giordano at 6.75. Maybe it’ll go higher than that. I don’t know.

“But it’s just a negotiation and he’s had a full camp with Team North America. There hasn’t been any real dialog for quite some time, and that’s not unusual with a lot of these restricted free agents. I would imagine they’ll get something done, but both sides are going to have to come off their mark a little bit here, and we’ll see how dug in they get.

“I think it’s just part of the negotiating game right now and people shouldn’t get too, too concerned just yet.”

[Fire]

If Gaudreau sits out the entire season would he be eligible for an offer sheet next season or would he have the same rights as now?

[MissTeeks]

Double post

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Fire

If Gaudreau sits out the entire season would he be eligible for an offer sheet next season or would he have the same rights as now?

No, he needs three season worth of games in the NHL. If he sits out this year he still won't have the requisite number of games.

[JiriHrdina]

Can anyone recap Friedman?

[cracher]

So then does that 1 game he played after he stepped off the jet with Conroy count as a season? Because many reference that 1 game as "burning a year off the ELC".

So then if the Flames didn't offer Johnny this "perk", he conceivably could be negotiating right now with the ability to sign offer sheets?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fire

If Gaudreau sits out the entire season would he be eligible for an offer sheet next season or would he have the same rights as now?

He's needs to play a minimum of 10 games in one season while signed to an NHL contract in order to gain his third year of professional experience.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Can anyone recap Friedman?

I listened to the first half only. Two things stood out to me:

- He genuinely believes there is no chance Johnny asks for a trade. He's extremely confident that Johnny wants Calgary long term.

- He believes the Flames are offering $6.4, and Johnny's ask is actually $8.25, not the rumored $8.5.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by cracher

So then does that 1 game he played after he stepped off the jet with Conroy count as a season? Because many reference that 1 game as "burning a year off the ELC".

So then if the Flames didn't offer Johnny this "perk", he conceivably could be negotiating right now with the ability to sign offer sheets?

He would be under contract for one more year had they not 'burnt' that year playing 1 game.

[saillias]

Friedman thinks there are outside pressures on the Flames to not give in. Because of Johnny's lack of rights.

Friedman called Treliving and asked him about Lewis Gross' comments. Brad paused and stopped himself before saying anything but Elliot could tell he wanted to speak.

Friedman also thinks players are more inclined to take these negotiations to the brink today. They feel as a group they will be locked out again and escrow takes a big slice of their pie. So they are less willing to give "hometown discounts" again this is Friedman's take, not mine.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by cracher

So then does that 1 game he played after he stepped off the jet with Conroy count as a season? Because many reference that 1 game as "burning a year off the ELC".

So then if the Flames didn't offer Johnny this "perk", he conceivably could be negotiating right now with the ability to sign offer sheets?

Yes, exactly. He needs three years of professional experience to gain full RFA rights. In order to gain a year of professional experience, a player must play a minimum of 10 professional games in that season while signed to an NHL contract.

His one game in Vancouver was enough to burn a year of his contract, but not enough to gain a year of experience.

That's why he's now stuck in this no-man's land of needing to sign a contract, but not having full RFA rights.

[Isikiz]

Other points:
- There is pressure from other teams to set a precedent for this kind of player. 10(2) or whatever it is.
- He emphasized that Johnny has no rights and the league has gotten to the point where you get deals based on your leverage.
- Is confident that the deal will happen before the season starts.
- Has no read where the number will be, but the numbers he guessed seemed to stay under 7.5.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Friedman thinks it will get done, he is not sure what the number will be.

Says the Gaudreau camp was upset with the Eric Francis story about him asking for $8M+.

Gross insists that they are not looking for a trade at this time.

Rhett thinks Johnny should fire his agent.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

He would be under contract for one more year had they not 'burnt' that year playing 1 game.

So the benefit of this "perk" would be getting your signing bonus before the summer and having your contract end earlier. But the cost here is losing leverage in negotiating your 2nd contract. Am I wrong to think that Johnny screwed himself? With offer sheet rights, he'd be looking closer to 8M for the duration of the contract. Over 7 years, that's going to be a lot more than an early signing bonus and playing 1 more year at ELC rates.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yes, exactly. He needs three years of professional experience to gain full RFA rights. In order to gain a year of professional experience, a player must play a minimum of 10 professional games in that season while signed to an NHL contract.

His one game in Vancouver was enough to burn a year of his contract, but not enough to gain a year of experience.

That's why he's now stuck in this no-man's land of needing to sign a contract, but not having full RFA rights.

There's no doubt that burning that first year of his ELC is now benefiting the Flames. I wonder if they did that intentionally?

Burning the first year was beneficial to Johnny in that he would get a big paid day a year earlier, but in the long run it might have cost him a couple million bucks.