The New American Politics thread

[troutman]

Had lunch with a friend from NY. She is voting Trump because he "tells it like it is". Hillary does not get her vote for just being a woman.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, the director is saying that an employee might get written up for it at work but that no one would get charged criminally

The two paragraphs preceding that one are pretty crafty...

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

And... As far as the 'wilfulness', check this out

The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails, as we did for those available to us; instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total e-mails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014. It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related e-mails, and that we later found them, for example, in the mailboxes of other officials or in the slack space of a server.

Apparently it is 'likely' that 30,000 emails were missed by Clinton's lawyers when they were asked to hand them over to investigators.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by troutman

Had lunch with a friend from NY. She is voting Trump because he "tells it like it is". Hillary does not get her vote only because she is a woman.

Sadly there is a very large chunk of the population who won't vote for someone because they are a woman. Not so shockingly it tends to be the same people who wouldn't vote for someone because they were black or gay. The world may just implode if a black lesbian was ever elected to congress (note: as far as I can tell only 18 openly gay people have elected to congress or the senate and none have been black).

[Flash Walken]

Justice in a banana republic.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by troutman

Had lunch with a friend from NY. She is voting Trump because he "tells it like it is". Hillary does not get her vote only because she is a woman.

Cool, did you point out a President Trump with a GOP controlled House and Senate can destroy women's rights? Jesus Christ Americans get what they deserve if they act like ######s. Too bad it ####s the entire world to do it. But those people who vote for him for stupid ass reasons deserve the depression that comes with it. I just wish we all didn't get dragged down with them.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by ernie

Sadly there is a very large chunk of the population who won't vote for someone because they are a woman. Not so shockingly it tends to be the same people who wouldn't vote for someone because they were black or gay. The world may just implode if a black lesbian was ever elected to congress (note: as far as I can tell only 18 openly gay people have elected to congress or the senate and none have been black).

I think my post was unclear - she is not snubbing Hillary because she is a woman. She was saying it is not enough for Hillary to earn her vote for just being a woman.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

The two paragraphs preceding that one are pretty crafty...



And... As far as the 'wilfulness', check this out



Apparently it is 'likely' that 30,000 emails were missed by Clinton's lawyers when they were asked to hand them over to investigators.

That's the great thing about lawyers, they provide a far degree of insulation, R13 at least.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Cool, did you point out a President Trump with a GOP controlled House and Senate can destroy women's rights? Jesus Christ Americans get what they deserve if they act like ######s. Too bad it ####s the entire world to do it. But those people who vote for him for stupid ass reasons deserve the depression that comes with it. I just wish we all didn't get dragged down with them.

She is a dear friend, so I didn't question her opinion. Like how Trump "tells it like it is" when close to 75% of everything he has said in the campaign has been shown to be false by fact checkers.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Cool, did you point out a President Trump with a GOP controlled House and Senate can destroy women's rights? .

HYPERBOLE ALERT

shades of 2006 when Harper was going to do the following

ban same sex marriage
outlaw abortion
bring Canada into the dark ages!
destroy the environment!

Trump gives liberals lots to disagree with yet somehow it still ends up in Hyperbole world.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Dude Canada is not America. The official GOP platform is to oppose abortion and same-sex marriage. The CPC would be dead as a political party adopting those as official positions. The GOP continue to try and do it at the state level constantly, and only get stopped when the Supreme Court intervenes. You think Trump is vetoing GOP bills? Lol please. Canada is thankfully well into the 21st Century socially. The party Trump is running for is not.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Dude Canada is not America. The official GOP platform is to oppose abortion and same-sex marriage. The CPC would be dead as a political party adopting those as official positions. The GOP continue to try and do it at the state level constantly, and only get stopped when the Supreme Court intervenes. You think Trump is vetoing GOP bills? Lol please. Canada is thankfully well into the 21st Century socially. The party Trump is running for is not.

Highly doubt much changes on that front..sorry - pandering during an election to a small minority means nothing.

[Senator Clay Davis]

You realize that with control of the House, Senate and White House the GOP can do whatever it wants right? Trump will be getting legislation on his desk to block or restrict those things without a doubt. Its not even up for debate, they will because its their official platform, and beyond that look at their actions on the matters which is to....restrict those things as much as possible. Keep thinking Trump is some renegade who will be fighting his own party the entire time. He only wants to win, not actually do #### as President. He'll be a nice puppet for them though, say big stupid things on TV to distract from what the GOP really wants to do.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, the director is saying that an employee might get written up for it at work but that no one would get charged criminally

So they would get fired, and couldn't run for POTUS?

[OMG!WTF!]

How is it that in Hillary's case ignorance of the law is in fact a defense? They've said several times that what she did was illegal if she had meant to do it. But she just f'ed it up so no charges required. I would be the king of that defense.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

How is it that in Hillary's case ignorance of the law is in fact a defense? They've said several times that what she did was illegal if she had meant to do it. But she just f'ed it up so no charges required. I would be the king of that defense.

Are you rich and powerful?

No?

There's your problem.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Are you rich and powerful?

No?

There's your problem.

Yes. Clearly you do not know who you are dealing with here. GUARDS!

[octothorp]

I read a good point today that Trump's immediate response was wrong. His focus was on the system being rigged (despite the fact that a popular and respected Republican was at the center of it). Yet what he should be focusing on is the fact that Comey said that Hillary and her staff were essentially incompetent in this regard. An incompetence argument hits Clinton a lot harder (in one of her areas of strength) than the corruption and entitlement argument, which is really reaching the point of diminishing returns.

Meanwhile, at her campaign speech today, Clinton was largely in the background while Obama teed off on Trump. It's a clear and transparent bait to try and get Trump talking about anything other than the emails; will he take that bait and get into a war of words with Obama?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by peter12

So they would get fired, and couldn't run for POTUS?

That would depend whether they Union or not.

[GirlySports]

Trump is on an angry rant right now

[MissTeeks]

From Daniel Dale on Twitter:

Trump just accused Clinton of bribing Attorney General Loretta Lynch by offering through the NYT to extend her tenure. "It's a bribe!"

There is, of course, no evidence of this - or that Clinton was even connected to the vague, anonymously sourced NYT line

Trump falsely claims that countries that donate to the Clinton Foundation push gay people off buildings. That's ISIS.

Donald Trump just called Barack Obama a "phony president."

Trump said he's going to take the U.S. back from "these thieves and these crooks and these horrible presidents and these phony presidents."

Trump complains at length that President Obama says "ISIL" even though most people say "ISIS." He thinks Obama is trying to annoy people.