MLB Playoff Thread

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

They said it was the first time in happened in MLB history. But do I not recall on the play that ended Buck Martinez's career that he got the first runner out the piled into him and managed to get the 2nd runner as well?

Not at home. Buck got run over at home (shattering his leg) and somehow still was able to see the runner advancing to third and while still on his butt he whipped the ball to third to get the final out of the inning.

[flames_1987]

Yeaaa Tigers!!

[OILFAN #81]

Glad to see the Yankees lose today 4-3. The Tigers bullpen really through hard today and did an effective job shutting out Murderer's row and Cano.

[habernac]

die Yankees die!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I love seeing the store bought *******s get beat.

[flames_1987]

I think a ton of people watching the baseball post-season really don't have one team there cheering for, instead just wanting the Yanks to lose!! I don't care who wins as long as it's not the Yanks.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Not at home. Buck got run over at home (shattering his leg) and somehow still was able to see the runner advancing to third and while still on his butt he whipped the ball to third to get the final out of the inning.

Damn that's right. Amazing play by Martinez considering how much pain he was likely in at the time.

[moon]

Originally Posted by habernac

die Yankees die!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I love seeing the store bought *******s get beat.

Who did they buy:

Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Cano
Wang
Cabrera
Soriano (used to get Rodriguez)

From?

The Yankees have spent a ton of money and are able to bring in a lot more players than other teams are but they also have done a great job of developing talent themselves. Probably better than 75% of teams out there.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by moon

Who did they buy:

Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Cano
Wang
Cabrera
Soriano (used to get Rodriguez)

From?

The Yankees have spent a ton of money and are able to bring in a lot more players than other teams are but they also have done a great job of developing talent themselves. Probably better than 75% of teams out there.

The Yanks today

Shefield $
A-Rod $ (Soriano meant crap, the Yanks we're just the only team that could take the $$ on)
Mussina $
Giambi $
Matsui $
Abrea $ (traded for a ball of bags basically, Yankee's were the only team in the league that could ever take on that much)
Damon $

Cano, Posada, Jeter home grown.

Yes the Yankee's do actually develop young talent pretty well and it's made very easy by the fact if one doesen't pan out they'll just go buy someone else. If Oakland had the Yankee's payroll imagine who they could've kept? I don't blame old Georgey because he's doing it within the rules of MLB, but lord knows I hate him and can't wait to see that team lose.

[habernac]

so you don't agree, moon, that the Yankees seemingly unlimited payroll gives them a huge advantage over everyone? Teams like this are the reason salary caps exist.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The Yanks today

Shefield $
A-Rod $ (Soriano meant crap, the Yanks we're just the only team that could take the $$ on)

He just became the first 40/40/40 guy so I don't think he means crap. Red Sox also tried to get him and TExass gave him the contract so obviously there were a few teams that could afford him.

Mussina $
Giambi $
Matsui $
Abrea $ (traded for a ball of bags basically, Yankee's were the only team in the league that could ever take on that much)

Plenty of teams could afford him they just didn't want to take the steps to do so.

Damon $

Cano, Posada, Jeter home grown.

Yes the Yankee's do actually develop young talent pretty well and it's made very easy by the fact if one doesen't pan out they'll just go buy someone else. If Oakland had the Yankee's payroll imagine who they could've kept? I don't blame old Georgey because he's doing it within the rules of MLB, but lord knows I hate him and can't wait to see that team lose.

The Yanks spend money yes but so do the Angels, Mets, Red Sox and every other big market club. The Yankees are wiling to go out and get guys like Abreu when they need them. There are plent yof owners with more money than Steinbrenner and plenty of team that could afford gusy like him Shef etc. but they are not willing to go out and spend the money to get them.

It certainly hurt the Red Sox when they choose not to do it this year and try their rookies who were not good enough.

[Sylvanfan]

Well I will admit that for the most part the Yankees are a well managed organization. Yes they spend, but they also make a lot of money as well. Any team can theoretically spend oodles of money, but won't do squat if it's not well managed. The Yankees do seem to have pretty astute management. But that management does have a financial advantage over 29 other MLB teams.

I know if I was a MLB player and I was coming up for free agency and thought the Yankees might be interested in me, damn right I'd wait to see if they were. With the current system in place it is the best chance a player has to win.

[habernac]

the Cards look for real. Pujols again with a stellar performance. 3 for 4 with a run and an RBI (.625 in the series!) as the Cards win 2-0.

[Sylvanfan]

Wow even the most homer Cards fan probably didn't expect Weaver to start a game and have the Cards come out of it without allowing a single run.

Why teams continue to give Pujols anything to hit is beyond me. I'd intentionally walk him every time and take my chances with the rest of that lineup. Not that they suck, but they're not Pujols.

[flames_1987]

SD has had a crappy offense for most of the season and now it's really showing.

[moon]

Originally Posted by habernac

so you don't agree, moon, that the Yankees seemingly unlimited payroll gives them a huge advantage over everyone? Teams like this are the reason salary caps exist.

No I agree that it gives them an advantage. Especially over small market teams such as KC, TB etc.

What I am saying is that other teams such as Boston, Texas both LA teams, the Mets, Chicago etc. have the same advantage over these teams as well. Also they choose not to spend as much as the Yankees do. Steinbrenner gets a ton of moeny each year but he has a lot less personal moeny than these other owners. He chooses to spend his own money to make sure that the Yankees are good. other owners could do this as well.

Also the Yankees are very good at developing prospects to augment their big signings. Look at what happened to the Red Sox this year. They tried to rely on their own prospects and it failed. They have developed Papalpon, Trot Nixon and Varitek. It doesn't even come close to what the Yankees have done. The Blue Jays suck right now as much because they don't have the same money as the Yanks as they do because Hill, Mcgowan, Adams et al. haven't turned into Jeter, Cano and Wang.

[Resolute 14]

The Jays have a lot of talent they developed as well floating around. ie: Halladay, Carpenter, Escobar, Wells, etc.

Difference is, the Jays, and everyone else, has to give up their players at some point because they cant afford to keep everyone.

The New York Yankees would closer resemble the Tampa Bay Devil Rays than anyone else if they were held to the same budget as most teams. Having a couple of home grown studs does not change this fact.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

The Jays have a lot of talent they developed as well floating around. ie: Halladay, Carpenter, Escobar, Wells, etc.

Difference is, the Jays, and everyone else, has to give up their players at some point because they cant afford to keep everyone.

Carpenter left because of money?

Escobar is a big talent?

Tell me all the teams that have developed better talent the past 10-15 years than the Yankees. There will be no more than 5 and these willbe teams that have had crap records and top draft picks as well.

They still have Wells and Halladay. I will agree that the Jays are at a disadvantage to many teams because they are forced to augment their weak ingrown talent with 2nd tier freee Agents like Glaus and Burnett but it isn't just the Yankees that cause this it is all the big market teams.

Why haven't the Angels, Texas, Red Sox, Mets, Cubs, Dodgers all contended like the Yankees have? They all play in big markets and bring in big revenues. They all have rich owners that can afford to spend what the Yankees do. They choose not to spend the money that they have and so it is their fault not the Yankees fault for spending money.

Basically the Yankees get way more blame for their spending than less successful teams who spend big and have the capabilities to spend as well.

Steinbrenner spends money out of his own pocket without concern for the bottom-line to win. You may not agree with it but you should respect the effort he puts out for his fans (and I am sure for his ego) to put the best product he can on the field.

[habernac]

no, I don't respect it. Any idiot could spend 200 million on the payroll and win a hell of a lot more than they lose. And no, the Boston Red Sox and everyone else with a ridiculous payroll are no better (I was one of the few not cheering for Boston when they won the series a couple of years ago).

Anyway.....

Holy Mets, Batman! For a team that everyone had written off, they're certainly stepping up when it counts the most. Glavine was in fien post season form again. Or maybe Grady Little is just that bad at the manger position.

[moon]

Originally Posted by habernac

Holy Mets, Batman! For a team that everyone had written off, they're certainly stepping up when it counts the most. Glavine was in fien post season form again. Or maybe Grady Little is just that bad at the manger position.

I think it is most likely a little bit of both. I think there was a bit of overreaction by the nedia when Pedro and Hernadez went down. They are good pitchers but they have a combined age of close to 100.

This Mets team is driven by its bats, Reyes, Wright, Beltran and Delgado and if they can get average pitching they should be able to walk right into the World Series. Now to beat the Yankees they may need a good Pedro and Hernandez, but not in the first two rounds.

Little may be showing that people in Boston weren't totally off base when they threw him under the bus.

[Dion_Iggy_Kipper!!!]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I think a ton of people watching the baseball post-season really don't have one team there cheering for, instead just wanting the Yanks to lose!! I don't care who wins as long as it's not the Yanks.

That's for sure, although I do have 3 teams I would like to see win, if the Yanks lose, I could almost care less about the rest of the playoffs, but, Go Cards, Twins, Mets.