Have you ever actually listened to Noam Chomsky speak, or read one of his books? He makes no bones of the fact that he's only interested in bad things the U.S. and its lackeys like Israel do on the world stage. If you haven't encountered the kind of dogmatic leftist who will trace back any crime perpetrated by any regime in the world to the sinister influence of the U.S., then you've let a pretty sheltered life.
Yeah but all of those guys like, listen to System Of A Down on the reg.
I think any reasonable person would disqualify Trump from being a suitable president even if you looked beyond the personal history, and the ridiculous rhetoric, and you looked only as far as how he's running is current election campaign:
- the Clinton campaign has been able to predict his social media behaviour and goad him into certain reactions, and essentially create counter-point webpages ready to go for when he says certain things.
- his organization has no firm hierarchy and several key positions have been left vacant.
- they're in fundraising crisis, in part because Trump refuses to reach out to donors. When provided with a list of 20 key donors by the RNC to call, he apparently called the top 3 and then quit. That quality of being able to be manipulated and predicted by an opponent is an awful quality for a president.
- He's appointed and then stood by officials who end up becoming strongly negative news stories themselves.
- the campaign is largely at odds and in frequent conflict with the RNC. And this is the group with the most vested interest in helping him. It doesn't create much confidence in being able to work with a generally combative congress.
- Trump throwing his own officials under the bus in public interviews to save his own face.
- The campaign trying to get control of funds from the RNC that are not allocated toward presidential campaign spending, which is essentially the equivalent of mis-appropriation on the campaign level.
If you believe that how you run your campaign is essentially a litmus test for how you'd run the White House, I don't think there's any question that a Trump White House would be the most disfunctional in modern politics.
Hillary, on the other hand, is ruthlessly efficient and controlling (which is essentially at the root of the whole email scandal). Everyone is on message, there's no apparent power-struggle within her organization, she's killing it at the fundraising level, her ground game is massive, her social media is quick to respond but controlled in their messaging. The campaign itself has largely stayed out of the media except for the occasional accusation that they're actually too close to the DNC (which reflects poorly on the DNC, but not so much on her campaign). So yeah, I can see why so many people who naturally fear the power of the president hate the spectre of Clinton: she has the potential to be a damn powerful president... too powerful for a lot of people's liking.
"- the Clinton campaign has been able to predict his social media behaviour and goad him into certain reactions, and essentially create counter-point webpages ready to go for when he says certain things.
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I truly think Hillary could work him a like a puppet in a debate.
I think any reasonable person would disqualify Trump from being a suitable president even if you looked beyond the personal history, and the ridiculous rhetoric, and you looked only as far as how he's running is current election campaign:
- the Clinton campaign has been able to predict his social media behaviour and goad him into certain reactions, and essentially create counter-point webpages ready to go for when he says certain things. Symptom of big government, Clinton administration would also start to solve problems that don't exist yet (wasting your tax money!)
- his organization has no firm hierarchy and several key positions have been left vacant. Obviously he is running a lean campaign, would also leave government positions vacant (small government! finally!)
- they're in fundraising crisis, in part because Trump refuses to reach out to donors. When provided with a list of 20 key donors by the RNC to call, he apparently called the top 3 and then quit. That quality of being able to be manipulated and predicted by an opponent is an awful quality for a president. Clearly does not beleive in buying elections. Wants to keep money from big interests out of politics. Pure integrity!
- He's appointed and then stood by officials who end up becoming strongly negative news stories themselves. Loyal to his employees, shows he would be loyal to USA's trade partners
- the campaign is largely at odds and in frequent conflict with the RNC. And this is the group with the most vested interest in helping him. It doesn't create much confidence in being able to work with a generally combative congress. Anything that RNC is on board with is highly suspect. Being unlike RNC is a good thing.
- Trump throwing his own officials under the bus in public interviews to save his own face. Contradicts your point from above, but he is holding people accountable.
- The campaign trying to get control of funds from the RNC that are not allocated toward presidential campaign spending, which is essentially the equivalent of mis-appropriation on the campaign level. There is a cost of making America great again, if you can't see that you are probably a cheapskate or you just straight up hate America.
If you believe that how you run your campaign is essentially a litmus test for how you'd run the White House, I don't think there's any question that a Trump White House would be the most disfunctional in modern politics.
Hillary, on the other hand, is ruthlessly efficient and controlling (which is essentially at the root of the whole email scandal). Everyone is on message, there's no apparent power-struggle within her organization, she's killing it at the fundraising level, her ground game is massive, her social media is quick to respond but controlled in their messaging. The campaign itself has largely stayed out of the media except for the occasional accusation that they're actually too close to the DNC (which reflects poorly on the DNC, but not so much on her campaign). So yeah, I can see why so many people who naturally fear the power of the president hate the spectre of Clinton: she has the potential to be a damn powerful president... too powerful for a lot of people's liking. This part was too long so I did not read
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Edit: Maybe its the drink but I may have made the entire post italics, don't know how. Mods please delete.
Part of the declines are a third party candidate that people think it suitable or at least good enough to throw protest votes to right now. Two polls the last couple of days have Johnson at 9 and 11 %. I would not be shocked to see Johnson actually surpass Trump if he keeps imploding. Trump will be left with the angry Tea Partiers....which is why I consider him a right wing candidate. Despite what he may or may not believe personally his support is coming from the pretty far right to the wacko right.
When you quote a post, anything within it gets turned into italics, which makes point-by-point responses hard to do. Best thing to do is copy/paste the 'quote' tags inside the post, which is a pain.
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Symptom of big government, Clinton administration would also start to solve problems that don't exist yet (wasting your tax money!)
Not sure how this is a symptom of big government. Social media is damn cheap in terms of a cost/impact ratio. But the worrying thing is that if Clinton's people can goad Trump into predictable and exploitable behaviours, how easy is it going to be for other governments to do the same?
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Obviously he is running a lean campaign, would also leave government positions vacant (small government! finally!)
There's a difference between carrying a small overall staff, and leaving key positions vacant. It would be like having no Director of the CIA, because you're trying to cut costs. Yeah, it's one job, but it's one of the most important jobs in the government. But it's not like Trump doesn't want to fill these jobs filled: ones like communications director, Trump had said for weeks he was going to fill. Others, like RNC coordinator, have been unable to be filled because of in-fighting between different factions of the campaign team.
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Clearly does not beleive in buying elections. Wants to keep money from big interests out of politics. Pure integrity!
Well no, if he wanted to keep money out of politics, he wouldn't have started calling the donor list in the first place. Calling three names and then stopping sounds more like he didn't like what he was hearing on those phonecalls, and then gave up.
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Loyal to his employees, shows he would be loyal to USA's trade partners
No, he's loyal to the hand-picked circle of people who are very close to him, like Lewandowski, who he'll unconditionally defend. Anyone further away then that, he'll throw under the bus at the first sign of trouble.
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Anything that RNC is on board with is highly suspect. Being unlike RNC is a good thing.
Sometimes you need to negotiate and cooperate with people you disagree with. Trump has so far shown no ability to cooperate with anyone who is not a total yes-man. The reality of being President is being a concensus-builder. Nobody wants to build concensus with Trump more than the RNC, but he seems entirely unable to.
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Contradicts your point from above, but he is holding people accountable.
But he's not holding anyone accountable or taking any steps to fix these problems in his organization. He's just publicly admonishing people who were legitimately trying to do their job, and then allowing the same problems to continue. The whole reason for emails being sent out that were off-message is the lack of communications roles filled and no clear hierarchy, which is entirely a problem of his own making, and is honestly shocking for a supposed good businessman.
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There is a cost of making America great again, if you can't see that you are probably a cheapskate or you just straight up hate America.
Oh, wait, so now trying to get money that he's not entitled to is good, and a sign of not being a cheapskate, when earlier in this post, his inability to even talk with donors is a sign of integrity? There's a hell of a lot more integrity in taking the money of somebody willing to donate it to you then there is in trying to claim money that was donated for uses other than your campaign.
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People are overestimating the extent to which voters are swayed by such rational matters as policy and debates. Trump supporters, in particular, seem to have nothing but contempt for numbers and stuff. Emotion is bringing them out.
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Goddamn it old man. He should have retired in 2007, his legacy has been destroyed.
RE: Orlando...
I usually think that Republicans are rtarded, and then I think,. no I'm being to harsh, and generalizing, I'm probably wrong, and then I read stuff like that.
BURLINGTON, Vt. – Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Thursday in an address to his supporters that he will work with Hillary Clinton to transform the Democratic Party, adding that his “political revolution” must continue and ensure the defeat of Republican Donald Trump.
Sanders said in a capstone address to his political followers online that the major task they face is to “make certain” Trump is defeated. The Vermont senator said he plans to begin his role in that process “in a very short period of time.”
“But defeating Donald Trump cannot be our only goal. We must continue our grassroots efforts to create the America that we know we can become,” Sanders said in remarks prepared for delivery. “And we must take that energy into the Democratic National Convention on July 25 in Philadelphia. where we will have more than 1,900 delegates.”
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