2016 NHL Draft

[sureLoss]

Kyle Woodlief of Red Line Report on 630 Ched

https://www.omnycontent.com/w/player...-a5bc010933fc#

Forward Tiers:

• Matthews + Laine 1st tier
• Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, Dubois 2nd tier - slightly behind top 2 but well ahead of next group of forwards

• some people may have Brown in the 2nd tier because of his physical tools - Woodlief doesn't see the consistency in his game and he doesn't shoot the puck enough to be a threat as a goal scorer. see him as distributor and facilitator. skates very well
• Why Puljujarvi not in 1st tier? didn't quite rise to the level that Laine did. Especially in the 2nd half of the season

• Tkachuk has closed a bit on Puljujarvi
• Tkachuk can elevate his game at the biggest clutch moments and big money games
• Stauffer asks if Tkachuk can outproduce Puljujarvi at the NHL level: Tkachuk may put up more points in any given season over JP, but JP will always be the better goal scorer.

Why rank Tkachuk over Dubois:

• Tkachuk has a track record of stepping up in big games
• Consistently a clutch preformer that can contribute to good teams
• Some people are selling Dubois short as a winger. Thinks he will stick as a center in the NHL. Can even be a 1st line center in the NHL - at worst a very good #2

3rd tier centers: Jost, Brown, McLeod

• Jost is the most explosive of the 3. dynamic center with great speed
• while Jost played Center with Penticton, thinks he will be a LW as a pro
• his game is more condusive to being on the wing

• Brown has the prototypical center with size

• McLeod doesn't have the offensive upside to be a #1 center in the NHL
• does have outstanding size, speed, and competitivness
• one of the better skaters in the draft
• can be a really good 2nd line center that contributes 50-60 pts and is a shutdown guy that plays against other team's top center

entirely feasible first 6 players will be forwards
they have Bean ranked 6th but thinks Brown will go ahead of him

Bean:

• so skilled and creative with the puck
• great distributor on the PP - going to be dynamic on the PP
• not done filling out
• done really well on a team that isn't a top WHL team
• probably won't go top 10 on draft day but that will be a mistake in the long run

Sergachev, Chychrun, Juolevi

• safest pick Sergachev
• he is unbeleivably calm with the puck under pressure - never seems to be rushed or hurried
• some NHL teams see that as him not having a pulse or emotion
• Woodlief doesn't agree with that
• terrific passer, doesn't make mistake with puck in his own end
• big hitter when he wants to be - not a consistent hitter
• probably the safest of the three to play on a NHL top pairing

Chychrun

• last year this time Red Line had him 3rd OA on their list
• got all the physical tools and the NHL bloodlines
• could be the best defenceman in the draft but fell back to earth in the 2nd half of the season
• doesn't think it is a great situation in Sarnia - they have some great individual talents there they haven't developed well and that might be part of the issue
• lost some of his confidence in the 2nd half of the season
• could go in the backhalf of the top 10

Juolevi

• teriffic passer
• he is not hard to play against
• soft in his own end
• guy who goes into corners and loses battles against smaller players
• keep hearing he may be the first defenceman off the board - thinks he might go as high as 7
• at red line they prefer their defencemen to be hard to play against, and he is not

Benson

• had a hard luck campaign - played less than 30 games, hurt in training camp, had surgeries
• LW plays with a lot of grit but not as much pure skill as you like
• see him as a 2nd round pick

Steel

• creative centerman
• did not rise to the levels they expected this year
• plays a soft game and looks disinterested at times
• expect him to go in the 50s

Clague

• has rebuilt his draft stock in 2nd half of the season when he started doing things they expected him to do from the getgo
• lower on the development curve - couldn't get on a defensive pair last season in Brandon, Brandon also likes to bring d-men along slowly
• has a lot more upside than he has shown so far
• he is a guy that could take a quantum leap next year when a few guys graduate and he is the #1 honcho in Brandon

Hart

• one of the top 2 goaltenders on the board
• toss up between him and Gustavsson as to which goalie will go 1st
• Hart did everything in the WHL this year
• had a minor injury that kept him out of some playoff games
• may have dropped him to high 2nd round
• while rare for Goalies to go 1st round thinks Hart and Gustavsson will be in the top 35 picks - doesn't think they will drop much further than that

unfortunately Stauffer didn't ask about Nylander

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Par

Burke needs to shut up.

"Flames’ Burke places emphasis on size ahead of NHL Draft".

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...ead-nhl-draft/

off-topic, but Sportsnet comments are literally the worst comments on the internet.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Par

Burke needs to shut up.

"Flames’ Burke places emphasis on size ahead of NHL Draft".

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...ead-nhl-draft/

Another inflammatory headline designed to get clicks.

Read the article. The team still thinks size, skill and speed are all important. They just know they aren't going to find players that have all 3 qualities in abundance.

And Burke says they aren't gong to change their strategy to focus purely on speed just because the penguins won based on speed. They still need some size to compete with the Kings and Blues.

The article clearly states they still plan to take the BPA regardless of size.

[Erick Estrada]

Don't get me wrong I like Tkachuk but he was playing with two line mates that were too good for the CHL. Kind of makes it a little more difficult to know how he will fare if he has to do more heavy lifting.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Sounds like Brown could be their target, or they are hoping someone with goaltender to peddle with a high pick is interested in trading up.

[Delthefunky]

I wouldn't mind taking Brown. Having a 6'7 centre who can skate isn't a bad thing. Hopefully he can learn to use his size well and score some goals.

[Mass_nerder]

Yeah, based on what I've read recently, I would be okay with brown.

[Commandant]

The second round of our mock draft begins. (31-45 picks)

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/06/...-second-round/

[bubbsy]

I am actually pretty content where we sit. Getting a top 6 forward in Nylander, brown, jost, or Keller would be great.

at the same time getting to pick the first dman of this draft class would be just as good, heck maybe even better considering the high value of top end defenders on a roster but also as an asset.

[SuperMatt18]

That Juolevi info from Kyle Woodlief interest me.

A d-man who is soft, no good in the corners,and loses battles does not seem like he would be high on our list based on the style Treliving and Burke prefer.

I do have to wonder if he is the Red Herring that the Flames are throwing out to confuse other teams.

[Poe969]

Of the 3 big defenders, Jolevi is the guy I want the least. I'm still a big fan of Chychrun if they were to pick a defender. There just seems to be so many potentially good picks at 6 to choose from, I'm not a fan of moving down though because I'd rather just take the player they want and be done with it. I still really want them to move up to 3...

[Caged Great]

That's the reason why I don't like Juolevi. I don't mind D-men that aren't hitters. TJ Brodie doesn't really go out of his way to hit much. However, the lack of physicality is concerning. When you have 5 D-men that are all very close in terms of talent, including Bean and McAvoy, you should attempt to avoid any red flags if at all possible. Juolevi's physicality is one, just as Chychrun's late season difficulties.

In either case, it may not be a fatal problem for their development. However, when you have an alternate in Sergachev that does not really have any real issues that are overtly noticeable, why not go in that direction instead.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Juolevi info from Kyle Woodlief interest me.

A d-man who is soft, no good in the corners,and loses battles does not seem like he would be high on our list based on the style Treliving and Burke prefer.

I do have to wonder if he is the Red Herring that the Flames are throwing out to confuse other teams.

Either that description is a tiny bit inaccurate or Juolevi has been used as a red herring by everyone in the league this spring.

[sureLoss]

nhl.com asks NHL scouts to debate Juolevi vs Chychrun:

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-draft-j...?tid=277764372

Scouts in favor of Juolevi:

"Chychrun is a physical specimen, and probably the best 1-on-1 defender in the draft, with great footwork, so there's obviously a lot to like about his game. I believe they both have top-pairing potential, but for me Juolevi's hockey sense is off the charts. I see a lot of Oliver Ekman-Larsson in Juolevi. I see the potential to be the No. 1 guy and run the power play at the NHL level. He played with elite players in Patrik Laine and Jesse Puljujarvi for Finland [at the 2016 IIHF World Junior Championship], and he's able to think and compete on that level. He makes the plays that few guys his age can make."

"I just love the hockey sense."

"Chychrun is going to show up at someone's training camp in September and they're going to go, 'Whoa, he might be playing here this year.' But five years from now, Juolevi could be the better player. I can understand why, depending on the team making the pick, you can make a case why you would take either one. I think with Chychrun it's what-you-see-is-what-you-get, and I just think you have to look long term in this instance. I think a few years from now when Juolevi gets stronger and fills out, he'll be a better player."

"There's more of a complete package with Juolevi. He's going to be a guy that's able to defend, put up a ton of points and be the top-scoring defenseman on his team for many years. I can see Chychrun becoming more of a two-way guy but not have the offense that Juolevi has."

Scouts in favor of Chychrun:

"I saw Chychrun as a double underage player at the World Under-17 Hockey Championship (in 2013-14). I saw him as an underage player in Sarnia and this year have watched him five or six more times. I'd have a hard time leaving him on the table. I don't know why, but I know he's big and strong and just does so many things well. The footwork is great. Juolevi is going to be a good one, but I just think it's a longer path for him. He's very good, but I'd have a hard time passing on Chychrun; he's high on my list."

"Chychrun is just a beast. Juolevi can be pushed around; he's easy to play against."

"If Chychrun wasn't playing in the (World Under-18 Championship for Canada) in April, I definitely would have said Juolevi. But I think Chychrun changed a lot of people's lists because of the way he played for Canada. He was really good in North Dakota (with one goal, four points and 27 shots in seven games)."

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Juolevi info from Kyle Woodlief interest me.

A d-man who is soft, no good in the corners,and loses battles does not seem like he would be high on our list based on the style Treliving and Burke prefer.

I do have to wonder if he is the Red Herring that the Flames are throwing out to confuse other teams.

The Flames believe that Kylington will get better as he gets stronger and grows confident in his physicality.

Could be similar with Juolevi, maybe they believe he will be harder to play against when he fills out.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

That's the reason why I don't like Juolevi. I don't mind D-men that aren't hitters. TJ Brodie doesn't really go out of his way to hit much. However, the lack of physicality is concerning. When you have 5 D-men that are all very close in terms of talent, including Bean and McAvoy, you should attempt to avoid any red flags if at all possible. Juolevi's physicality is one, just as Chychrun's late season difficulties.

In either case, it may not be a fatal problem for their development. However, when you have an alternate in Sergachev that does not really have any real issues that are overtly noticeable, why not go in that direction instead.

If not for the 'Russian factor', I wouldn't be surprised to see Sergachev go first among defencemen.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

nhl.com asks NHL scouts to debate Juolevi vs Chychrun:

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-draft-j...?tid=277764372

I have no dog in this fight, as either seem like good prospects, and I have only seen a bit of their play in the WJHC and U-18. Having said that, it seems weird that the Chychrun supporter uses the U-18 as evidence for his preference. He was good, to be sure, but Fabbro looked just as good in my mind. In addition Juolevi was excellent at the World Juniors, a far better competition.

[Poe969]

I think Chychrun having a bad second half made people sour on him. I'm sure they're all going to be good but I think just because of a bad few games people think less of Chychrun. IMO he's going to be a #1 guy, especially if he develops a bit of a mean streak.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think Chychrun having a bad second half made people sour on him. I'm sure they're all going to be good but I think just because of a bad few games people think less of Chychrun. IMO he's going to be a #1 guy, especially if he develops a bit of a mean streak.

Hmmm. I wonder if Regehr would like a job as an assistant defensive coach?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The Flames believe that Kylington will get better as he gets stronger and grows confident in his physicality.

Could be similar with Juolevi, maybe they believe he will be harder to play against when he fills out.

Exactly. I think we have some guys that fit the same player type as Juolevi. However, Chychrun and his style , the Flames are severely lacking in their prospect pool.