What is the most you would give up for 3rd OA?

[Resolute 14]

Given there is apparently a pretty good drop off after the top three players in this draft, if you want 3OA, you are looking at giving up Monahan or Gaudreau.

Pretending anything not involving one of those two would be in the realm of possibility from Columbus' perspective is naive.

And that, of course, is why there will never be a trade between these teams for those picks.

[btimbit]

6th overall, two 2nds and Kyljngton? I don't know, I'm awful at this sort of thing.
Really, we'd have to give more than anyone here would be comfortable with.

[EldrickOnIce]

Bennett and 6th would likely do it

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Bennett and 6th would likely do it

Probably, too bad for them Sam Bennett is not going anywhere. Take our 6th out of the picture and I would still say no.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He played the same all season. the only difference was bounces.

Strongly disagree. He was out of place on PK, he did not contribute offensively, he was constantly turning the puck over, he was bad. I have no idea what changed for him in the 2nd half but he looked like a totally different player.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Strongly disagree. He was out of place on PK, he did not contribute offensively, he was constantly turning the puck over, he was bad. I have no idea what changed for him in the 2nd half but he looked like a totally different player.

sorry that's just incorrect

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Bennett and 6th would likely do it

I don't see any way Columbus turns that down. I don't offer that for Matthews and no way the Flames would put those assets on the table.

[Erratik]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Given there is apparently a pretty good drop off after the top three players in this draft, if you want 3OA, you are looking at giving up Monahan or Gaudreau.

Pretending anything not involving one of those two would be in the realm of possibility from Columbus' perspective is naive.

And that, of course, is why there will never be a trade between these teams for those picks.

What exactly have you been smoking? Monahan and Gaudreau are both worth vastly more than Puljujarvi.

They would take Bennett straight up in a second(not that I would offer), because a potential first line center is what they need more than anything.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think it's insane that people think Jankowski could come in and even be half competent at replacing Backlund.

Nobody in this organization, prospect or NHLer, can do what Backlund does for this team.

I agree but it is not just about Jankowski it is about Bemnett as well.

I am not advocating moving Backlund but I see him pricing himself out of Calgary in 2 years and it wouldn't be the worst move to trade him when his value is sky high. Bennett is ready to play 2nd line C this year IMO and Jankowski could be ready to ply this year or next. If Backlund was a player that brought back a similar aged or younger winger that could play with Monahan and Gaudreau long term I would be okay with that.

I couldn't part with him AND Tkachuk/Dubois/Brown/Keller/whoever for Puljujarvi.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Bennett and 6th would likely do it

Yes, and $500,000 will probably get you Polak's jeep

[Vinny01]

A lot of talk and hopeful wishes that we could maybe be in the mix for the 3rd pick but when I have brought up trading up for 4 or 5 it is not met with a very positive response.

There is a clear top 3 tier in this draft but in my opinion there are 2 picks at 4 or 5 that fit the Flames quite well. Personally I would have no issue moving one of our seconds in order to guarantee we land one of Tkachuk or Dubois. Both players are a great fit for Calgary and fill a big need. Also a lot of rumors the Canucks are Oilers are open to trading those picks. If Vancouver likes Brown then I don't mind offering the Dallas 2nd to swap picks and leaving Tkachuk or Dubois for us. It wouldn't shock me if teams like Arizona or Buffalo tried to trade up so it is not as simple as "let the Canucks draft Brown and keep our assets". I want to secure one of those wingers and think it is easier than trying to get Puljujarvi

[Finger Cookin]

Zero. I wouldn't move up.

[Roof-Daddy]

Complete freaking lunacy.

2003 - #3, #55 for #1, #73 (up two spots)
2004 - #8, #59 for #4 (up four spots)
2005 - #12, #49, #207 for #8 (up four spots)
2007 - #13, #44, future 3rd rounder (#87) for #9 (up four spots)
2008 - #7, #68, future 2nd (#37) for #5 (up two spots)
2008 - #9, #40 for #7 (up two spots)

Those are standard move up trades. No GM is going to give up actual quality NHL players to move up 3 spots in a draft.

If it costs more than that a trade won't happen, nor should it. It's a completely stupid overpayment.

Every year leading up to the draft it's the same BS lol. People fall in love with certain prospects that look to be out of reach and start throwing out ridiculous overpayment proposals because they want to move up.

In 2013 it was rumored that Feaster offered #6, #22 and #28 for #1 from the Avs. They turned it down. That was a fair deal, but they'd rather hang onto #1 and pick Mackinnon. Completely understandable. I bet some goof ball here would have offered all that plus Brodie/Backlund or something idiotic like that. Imagine right now the Avs having Brodie or Backlund plus Klimchuk and Poirier (if that's who the Avs picked) and Monahan who is arguably just as good or better than Mackinnon is anyways.

Again, it doesn't/shouldn't cost that much to move up a few spots in the draft. If they ask for a package like the OP's you don't make the deal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

sorry that's just incorrect

I watched every game. My opinion is no more incorrect than yours.

[JiriHrdina]

That's a little bit of an oversimplification. Each draft is different at the top end and that largely defines the value of those picks. The value of the top 3 this year is defined by the fact it is generally believed there are three very high end guys at the top. So the cost of getting into that spot will be severe.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Thought we could have a thread strictly about moving up to the 3rd OA pick from Columbus, and if we were the GM what the most we would offer. Im interested in what CP would do trade wise. The MOST i would give up would be the following : To CGY: 3rd OA To CLB: 6 OA, 35 OA, M. Jankowski, M. Backlund

I wouldn't give up Backlund and the 6th OA alone to move up 3 spots.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

That's a little bit of an oversimplification. Each draft is different at the top end and that largely defines the value of those picks. The value of the top 3 this year is defined by the fact it is generally believed there are three very high end guys at the top. So the cost of getting into that spot will be severe.

That's why I included the little tidbit about 2013.

Mackinnon and Jones were the cream of the crop that year (even though Jones ended up dropping to 4th overall, he and Mackinnon were a "tier" above the rest in most peoples eyes). Flames used two late 1st round picks to try to move up 5 spots to 1st overall. It wasn't enough, but giving up any more would have been a mistake.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I wouldn't give up Backlund and the 6th OA alone to move up 3 spots.

Don't think about it as moving up 3 spots. It's about the player you get at 3. This isn't like moving from 16 to 13

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's why I included the little tidbit about 2013.

Mackinnon and Jones were the cream of the crop that year. Flames used two late 1st round picks to try to move up 5 spots to 1st overall. It wasn't enough, but giving up any more would have been a mistake.

I think the gap that year at the top was less clear

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think the gap that year at the top was less clear

I disagree. Moving up from #6 to #1 in 2013 would have been a huge leap in tiers based on all the draft experts and prospect watching pundits.