This is being driven primarily by Bernie supporters refusing to support her right now. Whether these people are still throwing a tantrum in November we shall see, but until Bernie gets gone from this race we simply don't know how his supporters break.
I think to frame all Sanders supporters like this is disingenuous. Sanders draws largely among typically millennials, apolitical and undeclared crowds. There are legitimate concerns about the replacement alternative to Sanders, especially given her political record. You can have democratic views and not support Hillary as a candidate at all because of past political baggage and scandal, especially if you are a undeclared non card holding member of either political party and if accountability/record is one of the more important traits that you vote for in a politician.
How is viewing both Trump and Clinton as horrible candidates qualify as a tantrum?
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She also doesn't have Newt to work with like her husband did. The Republican party today is much more partisan.
And this is why while the Presidential race is important--the downballot races are even more essential to focus on. There are some absolute nutjobs in the House/Senate, and the GOP run group of them refuse to even consider compromise, even on things that they purportedly are in favor of. For example, Merrit Garland as a SCOTUS judge. Many Republicans have voiced their approval of him being added to the Court, and yet they refuse to even have meetings with him, because he's Obama's choice.
Until we get this hard-line right wing, Tea Party group out of power, we're stuck with either horrible obstructionism or regression on many issues. The President holds veto power, which is helpful, and he/she would have executive orders, but otherwise, the legislative branch holds much of the control of what happens domestically. As a country we really need to focus more on those races happening locally, at the city/state level, to have any kind of chance of changing the way these things run.
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I like when people point this out, yet Trump is by far the most massively dishonest person to ever run.
He'll take any side on any issue, and flat out lies. He doesn't even hide the fact that he is making it up, or just plain old lying. Most of us grow out of that shortly after childhood.
On top of that he is a conspiracy theory lover.
I mean, come on, the voting public sees her as massively dishonest and Trump is ok? wtf?
So your defense to someone saying Hillary is seen as dishonest is to say Trump is too?
And this is why while the Presidential race is important--the downballot races are even more essential to focus on. There are some absolute nutjobs in the House/Senate, and the GOP run group of them refuse to even consider compromise, even on things that they purportedly are in favor of. For example, Merrit Garland as a SCOTUS judge. Many Republicans have voiced their approval of him being added to the Court, and yet they refuse to even have meetings with him, because he's Obama's choice.
Until we get this hard-line right wing, Tea Party group out of power, we're stuck with either horrible obstructionism or regression on many issues. The President holds veto power, which is helpful, and he/she would have executive orders, but otherwise, the legislative branch holds much of the control of what happens domestically. As a country we really need to focus more on those races happening locally, at the city/state level, to have any kind of chance of changing the way these things run.
Yes, so considering what is at stake and the fact that Sanders is polling better against Trump, I find it absolutely mind-boggling that anyone would support that 'crooked Hillary.'
Yes, so considering what is at stake and the fact that Sanders is polling better against Trump, I find it absolutely mind-boggling that anyone would support that 'crooked Hillary.'
The reason why Sanders is polling better than Hillary has to do with him not getting targeted with any ads or being scrutinized. Like her or hate her, Hillary has been put through the ringer like no candidate has ever before.
If I was American, I'd vote for her easily. I might not agree with her on some things, and she isn't the smoothest politician, but she isn't as horrible as anyone makes her out to be. Trump on the other hand...
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I absolutely believe that Hillary will be a massive disaster. The question needs to be asked about whether they're electing Hillary as President or Bill. She basically said she's going to hand the economy off to Bill, so is that job too difficult for her. As a Secretary of State she was fairly weak as well.
On top of that besides being corrupt she's an unashamed liar. The email scandal won't go away any time soon, and the main reason is she keeps lying with the latest news being reported that she lied about asking for permission to use her own email server.
Trump won't be any better, I believe that no matter what the choice the US is heading into four years of the worst president that that poor country has ever seen.
This post can easily be read in Trumps voice. "Massive disaster", "too difficult", "fairly weak", "corrupt". All Trump talking points.
I heard it on Bill Maher a few weeks ago. It was either him or a guest, but they basically said that while Clinton isn't exactly great, at least she's normal, and not a raging psychopath like Trump.
The democrats better get their act together here or Trump IS going to win this thing.
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The reason why Sanders is polling better than Hillary has to do with him not getting targeted with any ads or being scrutinized. Like her or hate her, Hillary has been put through the ringer like no candidate has ever before.
If I was American, I'd vote for her easily. I might not agree with her on some things, and she isn't the smoothest politician, but she isn't as horrible as anyone makes her out to be. Trump on the other hand...
No one is making her out to be anyone she isn't and it's not like Sanders does not get scrutinized either, he just has a better history to fall back on... Have you missed the last week where the Investigator General of the state department found in her gross misconduct and deliberate evasion of government communication policies and law? This was found to be deliberate because she did not want her communications to be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests. She was issued four separate warnings and disobeyed all of them and dismissed an ambassador for trying to use a private email server when she was doing the exact same thing. Ignoring the almost criminal (the level of which is still being legally assessed), she blatantly lied to the public about this saying all of this was allowed prior to the report, report came out and she lied about lying about that by editing and changing her entire prior communication that was posted on her website.
She lied about not knowing she had been hacked, she lied about it being within her right to violate the law in that way, she lied about having received permission with the department to break the law, she lied about cooperating with the investigation when she was the only one of the last five secretary of states that did not cooperate, she lied about "not receiving any emails marked classified" when she knows that no state communications come marked "classified" just "secret", etc. This is just the most recent scandal, we are not even counting the mishandling of funds, Clinton foundation and all the obfuscation in while she was in senate or the whole donation for presidential pardon scandal/email scandal of 98.
Everything coming out of her mouth in the most recent Clinton scandal, and it is a scandal, is an outright lie. Unlike Trumps crazy rants and lies, Clinton's are carefully edited, prepared, typed and repeated for the world to hear. That's the difference here. Trump's lies are at worst a symptom of his grandiose stupidly idiotic and immature personality, but Clinton markets herself as mature does she not? Would that no make her lies premeditated? And would that make her lies not worse than Trumps? Taken in complete isolation, maybe not, but then again she has a long history doesn't she?
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No one is making her out to be anyone she isn't and it's not like Sanders does not get scrutinized either, he just has a better history to fall back on... Have you missed the last week where the Investigator General of the state department found in her gross misconduct and deliberate evasion of government communication policies and law? This was found to be deliberate because she did not want her communications to be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests. She was issued four separate warnings and disobeyed all of them and dismissed an ambassador for trying to use a private email server when she was doing the exact same thing. Ignoring the almost criminal (the level of which is still being legally assessed), she blatantly lied to the public about this saying all of this was allowed prior to the report, report came out and she lied about lying about that by editing and changing her entire prior communication that was posted on her website.
She lied about not knowing she had been hacked, she lied about it being within her right to violate the law in that way, she lied about having received permission with the department to break the law, she lied about cooperating with the investigation when she was the only one of the last five secretary of states that did not cooperate, she lied about "not receiving any emails marked classified" when she knows that no state communications come marked "classified" just "secret", etc. This is just the most recent scandal, we are not even counting the mishandling of funds, Clinton foundation and all the obfuscation in while she was in senate or the whole donation for presidential pardon scandal/email scandal of 98.
Everything coming out of her mouth in the most recent Clinton scandal, and it is a scandal, is an outright lie. Unlike Trumps crazy rants and lies, Clinton's are carefully edited, prepared, typed and repeated for the world to hear. That's the difference here. Trump's lies are at worst a symptom of his grandiose stupidly idiotic and immature personality, but Clinton markets herself as mature does she not? Would that no make her lies premeditated? And would that make her lies not worse than Trumps? Taken in complete isolation, maybe not, but then again she has a long history doesn't she?
I agree with the fact that she and Bill have done underhanded stuff. Most politicians actually are the same in that regard. That's why most people leave congress to become lobbyists. The difference is that they were more high profile than most. Would I have preferred someone else? of course. The problem is that most of the good candidates are too young, or opted not to run (Elizabeth Warren, who may be the VP).
Did she do something really stupid with her server? yes she did. She even said that if she had to do it over she wouldn't have done it that way. Does what she is saying or doing, or have done threaten to destroy the entire planet? No, she's just a boring moderate politician that is about as inspiring as a piece of bread. She'll get turfed after 4 years if she wins and the party can reset itself (those people that are too young won't be by then)
Donald Trump's thoughts and suggestions would easily cause WWIII, which would likely involve nukes and end the world as we know it. You simply cannot have a person like that in charge of a major country. Period. End Sentence. Too much of a danger to everyone to be allowed to do the job. Trump is a danger to humanity itself. Hillary is just a boring corrupt politician. I don't know about you, but I'd take the boring corrupt politician every day of the week easily.
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Clinton has never been a friend of Canada. Remember, she was the one who pushed the lie the Sept. 11 attackers had crossed into the U.S. from Canada. And the unions who make up her base are extremely protectionist.
I'd think most of the unions are international, meaning they cover both the US and Canada and at least give lip service to the two countries cooperating.
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relevant article that I just found about LBJ's attack ads on Barry Goldwater, and how something similar could be used to Clinton's advantage:
What I remember is the one that said in reference to Goldwater, "In your guts you know he's nuts". Another parallel with Trump and Goldwater is that each has caused an uproar with the GOP establishment.
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That's a great ad. But Trump could counter with something like this one, that Nixon used in '68 to show the Democrats as the party of chaos and disintegration.
The thing is it was Bush who started the mess with his invasion of Iraq and it was while he was in power that the Wall Street collapse happened. Just having Trump take over the party is evidence enough of which party has lost their way.
Love the comment above that both parties are essentially the same. You'd have to be living in a bomb shelter for the past 4 decades without any signals from the outside world to think that.
Seriously. Look around for 10 seconds. There are major policy differences between the two parties.
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Love the comment above that both parties are essentially the same. You'd have to be living in a bomb shelter for the past 4 decades without any signals from the outside world to think that.
Seriously. Look around for 10 seconds. There are major policy differences between the two parties.
Given that a huge part of the GOP's platform is just flat out ignoring accepted science re: climate change, that alone should be enough to make people realize that this party is run by some people who are delusional at best. This is a party clamoring for small government--while attempting to impede the rights of women, the LGBT community. This is a party that constantly touts the need for a balanced budget--while still wanting to give tax breaks to corporations and millionaires and ignoring the stash of money hidden overseas that would go a long way to fixing the US' deficit. They claim to support veterans but refuse funding to help said veterans. They want jobs but refuse to pass any legislation that might increase employment/wages.
Democrats are corrupt the way all politicians are corrupt. The state of the GOP currently feels more like they're living on another planet, or in another era.
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So your defense to someone saying Hillary is seen as dishonest is to say Trump is too?
Okay then.
I'm not defending her, I'm laughing at people that continually bring that up while ignoring Trumps blatant, in your face, dishonesty.
Trump saw thousands of Muslims cheering in NYC after 9/11 with his own eyes.
Trump met Putin in person on a talk show
Trump personally knows people who got autism from a vaccination.
Trump uses fake personas to do his PR work for himself.
there's millions of these but people seem to overlook them for some reason, because Hillary is dishonest.
Love the comment above that both parties are essentially the same. You'd have to be living in a bomb shelter for the past 4 decades without any signals from the outside world to think that.
Seriously. Look around for 10 seconds. There are major policy differences between the two parties.
I think that just means the person supports Trump and that is the reason why.
North Korean state media has praised US presidential hopeful Donald Trump, describing him as a “wise politician” and “far-sighted candidate” who could help unify the Korean peninsula.
An editorial in DPRK Today, an official media outlet, welcomed the Republican presidential candidate’s proposal to hold direct talks with Kim Jong-un, saying he could help bring about Pyongyang’s “Yankee go home” policy.
“There are many positive aspects to Trump’s ‘inflammatory policies’,” wrote Han Yong-mook, who described himself as a Chinese North Korean scholar.
“Trump said he will not get involved in the war between the South and the North, isn’t this fortunate from North Korea’ perspective?”
Analysts said that although the editorial was not officially from Pyongyang, it was sure to reflect thinking inside the regime.
“This is very striking,” said Aidan Foster-Carter of the University of Leeds. “Admittedly it is not exactly Pyongyang speaking, or at least not the DPRK government in an official capacity. But it is certainly Pyongyang flying a kite, or testing the waters.
“For the rest of us, this is a timely reminder – if it were needed – of just how completely Trump plans to tear up established US policy in the region.”
The editorial referred to Trump’s speech in March, in which he suggested he would withdraw US military forces from Seoul if South Korea did not increase spending on defence.
“Yes do it, now … Who knew that the slogan ‘Yankee Go Home’ would come true like this? The day when the ‘Yankee Go Home’ slogan becomes real would be the day of Korean Unification.”
The article urged Seoul not to increase defence spending so as to prompt a US withdrawal, and urged American voters not to choose the Democratic hopeful, Hillary Clinton.
“The president that US citizens must vote for is not that dull Hillary – who claimed to adapt the Iranian model to resolve nuclear issues on the Korean Peninsula – but Trump, who spoke of holding direct conversation with North Korea.”
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