Alberta Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Kathleen Wynne suggests she was under ‘vicious’ attack in Alberta legislature because she’s a woman
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...e-shes-a-woman

Hillary used to say that too. So did Redford I think.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Kathleen Wynne suggests she was under ‘vicious’ attack in Alberta legislature because she’s a woman
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...e-shes-a-woman

Rolled eyes indeed.

There's no way this conservative guy from rural Alberta, who is spending his afternoon apologizing for agreeing with some moron's homophobic facebook post, could possibly be a sexist.

Everyone is the same to the Wildrose!

If Wynne was a straight man, Fildebrandt would have done nothing different.

[SebC]

An economist will say a carbon tax is working if it pays for the negative societal effects of carbon consumption.

An environmentalist will only say a carbon tax is working if it decreases carbon emissions.

[CaptainCrunch]

Since nothing was said in the legislature about her sex it comes down to once again Wynne not being able to tell the truth and the truth is she was under attack because she's incredibly incompetent and WR doesn't want Alberta following her course.

Wynne has never met a lie that she's disliked.

[CaptainCrunch]

Frankly I get tired of people like Wynne making up excuses due to her sex

ie they're meaner to me because I'm a woman.

Nope

It doesn't matter if she was an alien from Omicron Persia 6, she's a terrible politician, a brutally bad leader and dumber then a sack of hammers when it comes to her policies.

And I would say the same thing if she was a dude.

Her comments today do a dis-service to any female politician.

[RougeUnderoos]

I can only go on what the woman actually said regarding this situation, which is this:

"“Yes, I accept the apology,” she continued. “But I think that it was an interesting confluence of things. It was a woman premier in Alberta. I’m there as a woman, we’re talking about climate change. And I think the attack, the viciousness of the attack, had a particular quality to it.”

Wynne was then asked whether Wildrose would have reacted the same way if she was a man, or if Fildebrandt had been a woman.

“I think the standards are different,” she said. “I think that the expectation of behaviour is different. Are there vicious women in politics? Yes. That’s just a reality. I would hope, certainly in Ontario, any visiting dignitary would be treated differently. I would hope there would be a different tone.”"

I suppose she's lying and doesn't believe what she said in those two paragraphs, but I kind of doubt that.

That seems to be your argument -- that not only was her gender irrelevant to how this dimwitted twerp was talking about her while she was in the room, but that she herself doesn't believe it did either, and was just deflecting.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I can only go on what the woman actually said regarding this situation, which is this:

"“Yes, I accept the apology,” she continued. “But I think that it was an interesting confluence of things. It was a woman premier in Alberta. I’m there as a woman, we’re talking about climate change. And I think the attack, the viciousness of the attack, had a particular quality to it.”

Wynne was then asked whether Wildrose would have reacted the same way if she was a man, or if Fildebrandt had been a woman.

“I think the standards are different,” she said. “I think that the expectation of behaviour is different. Are there vicious women in politics? Yes. That’s just a reality. I would hope, certainly in Ontario, any visiting dignitary would be treated differently. I would hope there would be a different tone.”"

I suppose she's lying and doesn't believe what she said in those two paragraphs, but I kind of doubt that.

That seems to be your argument -- that not only was her gender irrelevant to how this dimwitted twerp was talking about her while she was in the room, but that she herself doesn't believe it did either, and was just deflecting.

I thought she was there as the premier of Ontario at the invitation of the premier of Alberta....you know to discuss climate change and pipelines and such.


Weird.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Keep hammering on the point, it might actually become relevant.

Continue to act like a bunch of children for all I care. People like you three are why this province and this country is an absolute ####show.

Seriously?

Yes...pointing out a vote for the NDP is indeed supporting the NDP, is "why this country is an absolute ####show".

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I thought she was there as the premier of Ontario at the invitation of the premier of Alberta....you know to discuss climate change and pipelines and such.


Weird.

Even after crossing those provincial borders, you are still a woman, or a man as the case may be. So while she was here as the premier of Ontario, she was also here as a woman.

She said she believes she was treated differently because she is a woman. That's it.

The guy who she was talking about is apologizing today for a sexist/homophobic remark he made later. This isn't exactly a conspiracy theory.

He has been suspended from his own party for his behaviour. His own party!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Jesus Christ, they think you suck because of your awful politics, not because you're a woman. The fact that she fell back on that just confirms every negative assumption one could have about her based on her provincial party's history. What a twit.

[CliffFletcher]

Women being attacked in social media is a popular meme right now. A man was recently charged with online threats against an Alberta cabinet minister. Sexist? The fact he has also made threatening comments online about male politicians seems to have escaped the notice of people who just love this meme.

Basically, if you're a public figure these days you are going to have awful things said about you online daily. Making it about gender is either naive, or just another kind of divisive politics.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Even after crossing those provincial borders, you are still a woman, or a man as the case may be. So while she was here as the premier of Ontario, she was also here as a woman.

She said she believes she was treated differently because she is a woman. That's it.

The guy who she was talking about is apologizing today for a sexist/homophobic remark he made later. This isn't exactly a conspiracy theory.

He has been suspended from his own party for his behaviour. His own party!

She can say that all she likes.....but that does not make it true.

As CHL points out, her politics were the target of the attack and for her to play the gender card is both nonsensical and disingenuous.

Otherwise one would have to believe that the WR agreed with the politics if it was a man instead of a woman sitting in the premiers chair in Ontario, which is patently absurd.

As far as his suspension goes, was that not based on the facebook thing and not what was said in the legislature?

[CaptainCrunch]

Its typical of Wynne, she lies about everything, and on top of that she used a attack on her policies and deflected it to some kind of sexist attack because she's a woman.

On top of that she basically used it to smear the province that she just visited.

Frankly I think she owes an apology to this province and to our legislature for a pretty clear smear.

But maybe she can convince her union cronies in Ontario to use this in an attack ad against allowing Dirty Alberta resources to cross her province.

The bottom line she's a disgrace.

And its not because she's a liberal

and its certainly not because she's a woman

She's a disgrace because she's a dishonest person and a opportunist with low character

And her policies tell me that she's a complete dummy.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by transplant99

She can say that all she likes.....but that does not make it true.

And because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue.

I think my point might be easier explained with a few yes/no questions.

Are female politicians treated differently than their male counterparts by some people because they are women?

I believe the answer is yes. Some people, apparently, say no. Fine. I think they are wrong.

Do I think a conservative from the Wildrose Party would be hostile to an openly gay woman for reasons other than (but also including) her politics? Yes. They did, after all, lose the election at least partially due to their backwards views.

Would he have treated the situation differently if the Premier of Ontario sitting there was a man? I think that's a good bet. So, yes.

Did one of his supporters say something sexist and homophobic about that woman shortly after this incident and did the Wildrose MLA in question agree with him? That happened, so that's not a yes or no thing.

Originally Posted by transplant99

Otherwise one would have to believe that the WR agreed with the politics if it was a man instead of a woman sitting in the premiers chair in Ontario, which is patently absurd.

That's definitely absurd, and a really weird way to look at it.

I'm pretty confident in saying that every female politician in the world, of every stripe, feels that they are not treated the same as men. That some men don't take them seriously. That they don't respect them. That some men are in fact sexist #######s. Margaret Thatcher, bless her heart, would be included if she were still with us.

Not all men™, of course, so let's not get offended everyone. But some of them. Including this guy, for the reasons stated above.

[CaptainCrunch]

And because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue.

I think my point might be easier explained with a few yes/no questions.

Are female politicians treated differently than their male counterparts by some people because they are women?

I believe the answer is yes. Some people, apparently, say no. Fine. I think they are wrong.

Do I think a conservative from the Wildrose Party would be hostile to an openly gay woman for reasons other than (but also including) her politics? Yes. They did, after all, lose the election at least partially due to their backwards views.

Would he have treated the situation differently if the Premier of Ontario sitting there was a man? I think that's a good bet. So, yes.

Did one of his supporters say something sexist and homophobic about that woman shortly after this incident and did the Wildrose MLA in question quickly with him? That happened, so that's not a yes or no thing.

For the first part with all due respect you're being disingenuous based on your interpretation of a political party, there is absolutely nothing proof wise or solid wise that matches up to your point. I also find it really wrong considering that the Wildrose party was lead by a woman at one point and they have woman in key positions including Angela Pitt.

The last part of the supporter and the MLA in question absolutely and I'm onboard with him being suspended, but is it a reflection of the whole party? And in the legislature did he go after Wynne because she's a woman, or because she's a dangerous incompetent.

Basically Wynne decided to invent controversy and is trying to gain some kind of twisted sympathy based on something that's unproven and in my mind patently bull####, which in her case is something that she likes to spread around liberally (See what I did there? )

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

No. Not "including this guy". Quit mind reading. I don't even like him, but I hate what you are doing right now far more: there's absolutely no basis for calling him a homophobe or a sexist. What you are doing right now is libel.

[btimbit]

Doesn't Wynne have an approval rating of like, 25%?

Must be because of her vagina though, right? Couldn't be because she's awful at her job

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No. Not "including this guy". Quit mind reading. I don't even like him, but I hate what you are doing right now far more: there's absolutely no basis for calling him a homophobe or a sexist. What you are doing right now is libel.

Libel. Sure. The NDP premier from Ontario said it, the Wildrose Party suspended him for it, and little old me on the message board argued about it. Strange bedfellows indeed. I wonder if the three of us can get a package deal from the defence team.

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How much money exactly do women have to flush down the toilet before you can call them out?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Even after crossing those provincial borders, you are still a woman, or a man as the case may be. So while she was here as the premier of Ontario, she was also here as a woman.

She said she believes she was treated differently because she is a woman. That's it.

The guy who she was talking about is apologizing today for a sexist/homophobic remark he made later. This isn't exactly a conspiracy theory.

He has been suspended from his own party for his behaviour. His own party!

Well that's not true, he thanked a supporter sho made a slur against her. He claims that he was scanning quickly through messages and didn't notice the slur, I believe him because I didn't see it the first time either.