[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd, 4th to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson + 5th

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I wish Gudbranson was coming here. That's the #4 guy we need to finish off our top 2 pairings for the next 5 years.

Again, expansion draft.

It makes no sense to spend assets on someone who would take away a protected spot from the forward ranks and or likely be grabbed by Las Vegas.

[calumniate]

I don't think Benning understands the value of cap friendly, waiver eligible players. He ditches them left and right. Gudbranson may be a good player, but he's already getting paid sbisa type money... Lol!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, the expansion draft thing is a weird one. Tanev is obviously protected, and you'd think Ben Hutton is their up-and-comer, so that only leaves one spot... Maybe they try to deal Edler? That'd be smart, though he has a NTC.

I'd say they should re-sign Hamhuis to a reasonable deal with the intention of leaving him exposed as draft bait (as you can only take one player from each team).

[Mr.Coffee]

Gudbranson is a guy I could see the Oilers needing.. And the fact that he isn't going to Edmonton is hilarious to me. Literally 29 GM's should know to call Edmonton if a dman is available, just to see if anything can be matched. Now I don't know if that's happening or not (actually, I do, and it isn't but let's pretend), but the Oilers not figuring out that they've abandoned an entire position of the game for almost a decade now is almost gross negligence to their fan base. Actually, it is gross negligence to their fans. It's unbelievably stupid in fact.

It's hilarious. And the best part is they're dynasty team in the 80's had Coffey, an all star defenceman.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, the expansion draft thing is a weird one. Tanev is obviously protected, and you'd think Ben Hutton is their up-and-comer, so that only leaves one spot... Maybe they try to deal Edler? That'd be smart, though he has a NTC.

I'd say they should re-sign Hamhuis to a reasonable deal with the intention of leaving him exposed as draft bait (as you can only take one player from each team).

wouldn't Hutton be protected? next year is only his 2nd full season

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, the expansion draft thing is a weird one. Tanev is obviously protected, and you'd think Ben Hutton is their up-and-comer, so that only leaves one spot... Maybe they try to deal Edler? That'd be smart, though he has a NTC.

I'd say they should re-sign Hamhuis to a reasonable deal with the intention of leaving him exposed as draft bait (as you can only take one player from each team).

Wouldn't Hutton be ineligible? Unless his 5 games in the AHL counts as a pro season.

[d_phaneuf]

ya I think it would need the 9 games? so he should be fine

[getbak]

Hutton was 21 when he played his 4 AHL games, so they should count as pro games. Over the age of 20, it only requires 1 game to count as a year of experience.

However, he was a late-season signing out of the NCAA, so those games would have been played under an Amateur Try-Out rather than his NHL contract, which might make the games exempt.

[DomeFoam]

God Benning sells off his prospects like its a garage sale over there. Who else can we pry out of Vancouver? Nothing this guy does surprises me anymore. This trade makes no sense.

[Commandant]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I just don't understand what the Canucks are trying to build. It's almost like their goal is to be a perennial 8-10 team. That's a lot to give up for a depth defender that has no offensive upside and it's not like their forward group is bubbling over with skilled players. I get that they will get a good forward at 5th overall but this is a build on the fly type of trade and Dubois or Brown aren't going to be able to help this team for a few years.

This is gold...

Travis Yost ‏@travisyost 5h5 hours ago
Stay at home defender Erik Gudbranson's shots against impact comparable to Jared Cowen and Nate Guenin. He's not who you think he is.

Travis Yost ‏@travisyost 5h5 hours ago
And that's his supposed strength. His EV scoring rates are Adam McQuaid and Luca Sbisa. This is just lunacy.

[Samonadreau]

You have to think Mccann really wanted out of Van, but why make this trade.... a potential #2/3 center straight across for a #4 D would be a fair trade. If the trade stopped there I would call it fair but to get absolutely robbed blind on the pick swap when you are rebuilding is mind numbing.

Gotta think Benning is on borrowed time and could be hitting the unemployment line in the near future.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

The price for defencemen remains high. I thought McCann looked like a potential #2 centre, I actually liked him more than Virtanen in the games I saw. So McCann and a 2nd for a #4/5 dman? Good return for FLA IMO. As others have noted the expansion draft implications in this deal are big for both teams

Not sure if the decision would have any affect on the Canucks 1st rounder. They still should draft a centre or dman IMO

Well our division got a little more black and blue and tough to play against. We still need to add a powerforward.

[GoJetsGo]

I wonder if McCann not wanting to be in Vancouver stems all the way back to before he was drafted (thought he tried to smooth over that draft-day interview after the fact) or if he was soured on something from his handling this season?

You'd have to think there was opportunity for him there with their lack of depth...

Wonder what went on behind the scenes.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jables16

What is going on in___? __________ was being talked about as future captain material now he's out the door

"TOR"
"Luke Schenn"

That said Gudbranson actually passed my eye test when I've watched him. Not sure what to make of this trade but it could be a win-win.

...Though if I were a betting man, "Florida fleeced Benning" would be a safe bet.

[3rd line Grinder]

didnt gudbranson just sign a new deal? was 1yr 4 mill or something? this is really weird timing either way. its not like he had a roman checkmanekesque performance in the playoffs

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You have to think Mccann really wanted out of Van, but why make this trade.... a potential #2/3 center straight across for a #4 D would be a fair trade. If the trade stopped there I would call it fair but to get absolutely robbed blind on the pick swap when you are rebuilding is mind numbing.

Gotta think Benning is on borrowed time and could be hitting the unemployment line in the near future.

Gudbranson is still just 24, he may be a middle pairing guy at the moment but he has the potential to grow into the top shutdown defenseman. People are really undervaluing him here.

[Poe969]

I really don't like that he's a canuck but he's only under contract for one year. I really likeED him because he was a beast and is tough as nails. Hopefully he only stays there the one year and moves on. I think he would be a great replacement for Engelland after this coming year, he'd be a good middle pairing guy and a great bottom pairing guy but could turn into a decent top pairing guy if he ever reaches his potential. If he improved his actual hockey skills a bit, I think he'd be a great compliment to a guy like Hamilton because I think Hamilton would do better with a really defensive partner who plays more physical.

[Vinny01]

Vancouver is certainly making some baffling moves. They trade Garrison for a 2nd and use that on Vey. They get a second for Bieksa and use that along with Bonino and Clendenning (who they have up Forslong to get) so they can acquire Sutter and pay him 2.5x as much as Bonino. They trade a 2nd for Sven and include a high 2nd with McCann who was a first rounder 2 years ago to get a Dman that was drafted 6 years ago. Shinkaruk a first rounder from 3 years ago gets moved for a former 2nd round pick from 5 years ago who can't seem to stick in the NHL and this trade happens after Shinkaruk starts finding his scoring touch at the pro level. Mind boggling

I think the Canucks have some decent young pieces in Horvat, Virtanen, Hutton, Boeser and whoever they draft at 5. This team however is in no place to be moving 2nd and former first round picks out like candy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Gudbranson is still just 24, he may be a middle pairing guy at the moment but he has the potential to grow into the top shutdown defenseman. People are really undervaluing him here.

He's being highly overrated in this thread. He lacks hockey sense which is something you can't be taught. If you read the THN draft preview they interview a bunch of head scouts and the biggest red flag when scouting a prospect is hockey sense because it's something that can't be fixed or worked on by coaches or practice. He may have a good season or two in him in the right system but he is what he is. Luca Sbisa is a couple years older but when you don't have a full toolbox you have limited growth and Sbisa is what he is as is Gudbranson.

I'm sure he's a nice addition to round out the back of your blueline but he's a luxury addition not a team building block. It's not like the Panthers had to get rid of him or anything but they know his ultimate value better than anyone else and they cut bait as they wanted no part of locking him up in a big contract.

[The Original FFIV]

Bill Watters on TSN1040 right now calling this a massive win for Vancouver, for what that's worth.