Interesting thing that came out of that episode. Wildlings lost a huge number of fighters when Hardhome got hit and in the attack on the wall. Mance Ryder attacked with a force 100000 strong, now they're down to 2000.
That's a lot of wights to deal with considering how hard those things are to kill. That's probably just a fraction of the wights that the walkers already had in the first place.
It bummed me out too, was hoping she'd get a few kills in (although I doubted she'd get the kill on Ramsay).
Imagine if Ramsay, maybe the biggest villain of the show, went out like a punk though, taken advantage of like that.
That would almost make the show better, as no one expected her to get the kill, totally GRR fashion and a "ha ha" to the fans expecting his death to be a big deal.
I would hate/love them so bad for that if they did it.
Agreed on the Kings Landing story. No way Cersei is being honest about helping the Tyrells. She's got something up her sleeve for sure.
I think the reason its the Tyrells army is so that the Faith will target the Tyrells and not the Lanisters. As soon as Margery is freed the Lanisters will come in and crush the Tyrell army and be the defenders of the Faith.
how do Cersei and Jaime pull off the backstab? Hand of the King Kevan is legitimately cozy with the Tyrells, and Tommen himself is quite fond of them. also Tywin noted that the Lannister gold mines have run dry, so how could they endure a long bloody war with a family nearly as rich and not in danger of going bankrupt?
not saying they aren't going to try it, but the Tyrells are probably the most reasonable allies you can have (supposedly they're even feeding King's Landing with their crops), and you just can't hold onto power if you're trying to wipe out what's basically your capital city's lifeline.
And if we think bigger picture, I have to think that the reason that scene was included in the episode was to establish that Ramsey is always suspicious and that the Umber visitors maybe aren't exactly allies to Ramsay. I know Osha isn't an Umber but honestly otherwise there was no point to the scene. Why did they have to show us her trying to kill him or him knowing she was allied to the Starks, other than to set the stage for future episodes?
Ramsey is always one step ahead of his enemies, perhaps?
how do Cersei and Jaime pull off the backstab? Hand of the King Kevan is legitimately cozy with the Tyrells, and Tommen himself is quite fond of them. also Tywin noted that the Lannister gold mines have run dry, so how could they endure a long bloody war with a family nearly as rich and not in danger of going bankrupt?
not saying they aren't going to try it, but the Tyrells are probably the most reasonable allies you can have (supposedly they're even feeding King's Landing with their crops), and you just can't hold onto power if you're trying to wipe out what's basically your capital city's lifeline.
The Tyrells although rivals are definitely within the Lannisters sphere. It's gotten to the point that things are so bad for both families that they shouldn't be worrying about who is the leader of their sphere, but whether their sphere exists.
It makes sense for both families to unite against common enemies and then go after each other (in the usual fashion) later.
As far as other major allies, the Freys should be included in that list. Although, I'm not sure how powerful they are now. They, presumably, do have motivation to go after the Boltons now.
And supposedly only 5,000 men in the Bolton army. And 2,000 Wildlings.
Am I missing something? If the Dothraki go to war who can possibly stop them?
Don't pay too much mind to the North and Wildlings. Not too long ago the Wildlings had 100,000 strong as well. Ramsay has 5000, but that's not the combined might of the North. Which is one of the reasons Roose wanted to get loyalty from the other houses. The Lannisters sent a force of 30,000 towards the Vale to free Tyrion in season 1, and that was less than half their force. Renly had 100,000 strong with the backing of Highgarden and not all the men of the Stormlands.
The North, Westerland, Stormlands and Riverlands, lost a lot of troops during the War of the Five Kings, however, Highgarden didn't take a huge hit. The Vale and Dorne are Kingdoms themselves with numbers comparable to the others pre-war and they didn't lose anyone during the conflict. It's pretty fair to say that each Kingdom has (had) a force of around the magnitude of 50,000. And while many of the soldiers wouldn't be fitted with the finest armour and weaponry, they certainly are more equipped than that Dothraki horde.
Don't pay too much mind to the North and Wildlings. Not too long ago the Wildlings had 100,000 strong as well. Ramsay has 5000, but that's not the combined might of the North. Which is one of the reasons Roose wanted to get loyalty from the other houses. The Lannisters sent a force of 30,000 towards the Vale to free Tyrion in season 1, and that was less than half their force. Renly had 100,000 strong with the backing of Highgarden and not all the men of the Stormlands.
The North, Westerland, Stormlands and Riverlands, lost a lot of troops during the War of the Five Kings, however, Highgarden didn't take a huge hit. The Vale and Dorne are Kingdoms themselves with numbers comparable to the others pre-war and they didn't lose anyone during the conflict. It's pretty fair to say that each Kingdom has (had) a force of around the magnitude of 50,000. And while many of the soldiers wouldn't be fitted with the finest armour and weaponry, they certainly are more equipped than that Dothraki horde.
Ah okay. Perspective is key.
I wish they would mention stuff like that more in the show because obviously for financial reasons they can't show that many people all the time.
The only thing that irked me (and it was an excellent episode with a lot of plot progression all around) was that Davos only decided to press Melisandre, just NOW for answers about Stannis and Shireen? Are you ####ing kidding me? And it's probably been what, a week since they've been in the same place?
"Oh by the way, how'd that whole Stannis being the prince that was promised, the lord of light's holy child that was destined to be the rightful king thing go? And you know, the fate of his precious daughter that was basically my godchild?"
Oh well.
I also just want to mention that Brienne annoys me a lot and always has. However the dynamic of her presence at castle black with the other characters and given the extreme awkwardness of the whole Stannis outcome makes it quite entertaining.
I hope she meets her end soon though, I can't lie..
Good episode all together, but a couple of things really irked me...
1. How easily Cersei and Jamie turned Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell - there was zero trust before, and open hostility, and yet they completely buy this story and turn over the Tyrell army without even hearing from Tommen himself, or verifying in some other way?
2. The Incredible, Combustible Dothraki Roundhouse - so this stone and dirt floored structure bursts into uncontrollable flames by a few coals being spilled on the ground? Did they spray the ground with oil to keep down the dust?
I am glad, though, that there's a chance that the Daenerys storyline might actually progress, that we finally had a Stark scene that brought mist to my eyes from something other that tragedy, and that we might be moving toward a confrontation that will bring an end to Ramsay. I've had enough of the token "Did you know Ramsay is a psychopath?" scene jammed into ever other episode.
