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[868904]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's possible people's opinions are being clouded by the Toronto stink but that Leafs team under him played pretty terrible hockey for the most part and IMO this is a young team that needs more of a teacher coach that is going to install a sound defensive game. I'm just not sure if Carlyle checks that box.

Wasn't there the joke out that season that after they fired Carlyle and the Leafs got even worse, that Carlyle should have received Jack Adams votes? Because it showed just how poor that team was. I believe the Leafs were actually in playoff contention when they fired him and then after the change, they really dived.

Right so the record with and without Carlyle that year was:

Randy Carlyle (21-16-3-0)
Peter Horachek (9-28-0-5)

I do recall that Leaf team being badly outshot that year that he was fired but if you look at his "body or work" with the Leafs, he actually had a winning record.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by 868904

Wasn't there the joke out that season that after they fired Carlyle and the Leafs got even worse, that Carlyle should have received Jack Adams votes? Because it showed just how poor that team was. I believe the Leafs were actually in playoff contention when they fired him and then after the change, they really dived.

Right so the record with and without Carlyle that year was:

Randy Carlyle (21-16-3-0)
Peter Horachek (9-28-0-5)

I do recall that Leaf team being badly outshot that year that he was fired but if you look at his "body or work" with the Leafs, he actually had a winning record.

He did, got ONE vote....haha

The joke was that he was the only leaf coach/player to receive any vote for any award.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...the-jack-adams

[Bingo]

I'm not that hard on Francis.

He butters his bread having opinions and stepping out there with what he thinks or what he hears, which is a lot more entertaining then just reporting what Trelining said and calling it a day.

I wonder what he's heard on Boudreau not in the their plans, interesting.

I tend to agree however as if they were hot after Boudreau why let Treliving go to Russia the day of the Hartley firing. Not to mention the fact that Boudreau seems to have a megaphone attached to his hip as every detail of his going seemed to be on twitter on a daily basis and there was never a mention of the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Makes sense, some thoughts:

On #1 - Sure. You are basically saying Anahiem was a good team, very true. I can't think of the last team that won a Stanley cup that wasn't.........I guess Carolina? Fair enough, but I think that footnote you want to put next to his cup goes against 90% of all other winning cup coaches too. And there are far many more examples of coaches who failed to take stacked teams to the promise land, than there are ones who actually succeed like Carlyle did. Not really sure you can use his success as a negative.

I generally agree with your point - a coach who wins the cup can't be horrible. But then again, who was a better coach, Bob Johnston or Terry Crisp?

I would like a Quenneville or Sutter or Babcock who've won. I'd be very happy with a Trotz who hasn't. And, I don't want a Carlyle or Torts who have won.

[Gaudfather]

On Fan960 at noon Lou and Pat were speculating on names like Travis Green or Ryan Huska. Line of thought seemed to be that the young core group here might respond best to a younger up and coming AHL type coach, similar to what Tampa did with Cooper. Even a Kevin Dineen would basically fit this mould. Will be interesting to see if Treliving opts for this route.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Another wrinkle in this is deployment, I think Treliving mentioned usage (maybe it was Burke) which to me is one of

a) Hamilton in the third pairing until Xmas
b) Frolik with almost zero powerplay time

You are on to something. I believe Hartley's usage of those two players is a big factor in why he got canned. In Hamilton's case though, the player did not help himself at the start of the year when he was on the top pairing.

This team with a new system and a new goalie could be very different from what we saw last year. I believe that is what management is counting on, as other changes will be difficult.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Why is everyone snubbing the Flames? Must be some serious issues within management *sarcasm*

[Trolleydodger]

Did the Flames even receive permission to interview Boudreau?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Trolleydodger

Did the Flames even receive permission to interview Boudreau?

IMO I don't think they even asked. I have no problem if the flames are going after some new blood coach. My only problem would be if they hired an old re-tread coach without condsidering / interviewing probably the best re-tread coach available in Boudreau.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The possession game is not one kind of game.

The LA Kings play a hard dump, chase and extremely controlled entry possession game.
The Anaheim Ducks play more of a methodical cycle game.
The Tampa Bay Lightning play a quick-hitting possession game of shooting first and winning the race to the rebounds.
The Pittsburgh Penguins play a suffocating three-man forecheck with their speed.

Do we have the players to a possession game? IMO Yes. But I'm not sure which coach's philosophy best suits our players. That's what Treliving has to find - the right fit. Possession is not just 6'4 giants playing Kris-Russell-in-the-middle.

And to add another wrinkle, I have the impression Treliving was just as concerned on defensive possession as offensive. Defensive possession may may sound like an oxymoron (and perhaps someone will provide a better term), but I don't think he liked the passive defensive setup at all. I think he wants a coach that will be more aggressive in the defensive zone to quicken turnovers and restore possession.

[sureLoss]

Francis on 960:

claims Flames didn't even attempt to talk to Boudreau, he just wasn't looking they were looking for.
2 sources says they didn't have any interest

Many people have thrown their hat in.
Some preliminary interviews thus far.
Expected to be a long drawn out process.

[Dr. Doom]

Fan 590 discussion suggests Carlyle is indeed the favorite due to drumroll... the Burke factor...
"Cant ignore the history together"

Queue the pitchforks lol

[Reggie Dunlop]

Mike Van Ryn (whom many consider a future NHL coach) has just stepped down as coach from the Kitchener Rangers. An unexpected development, apparently.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Mike Van Ryn (whom many consider a future NHL coach) has just stepped down as coach from the Kitchener Rangers. An unexpected development, apparently.

Personal reasons (family) apparently

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Personal reasons (family) apparently

Yeah, his family is packing to move to Calgary...

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Francis on 960:

claims Flames didn't even attempt to talk to Boudreau, he just wasn't looking they were looking for.
2 sources says they didn't have any interest

Just going off what I heard on here I thought, but isn't this the opposite of what he (Francis) was saying before? Or am I missing something?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Just going off what I heard on here I thought, but isn't this the opposite of what he (Francis) was saying before? Or am I missing something?

Never trust anything Francis says unless he has a source. This latest info that we didn't want Boudreau he apparently sourced from two different people.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Just going off what I heard on here I thought, but isn't this the opposite of what he (Francis) was saying before? Or am I missing something?

You're not missing anything, he speculated that the Flames wanted Boudreau. Ended up being dead wrong so he found some new angles

[bubbsy]

I really really dislike Francis. It's like a tie between him and Damien cox.

[calf]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Fan 590 discussion suggests Carlyle is indeed the favorite due to drumroll... the Burke factor...
"Cant ignore the history together"

Queue the pitchforks lol

Just look at all those prior Burke connections in the organization.

Joe Colborne...I think that's it?