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Old 04-14-2016, 04:40 PM   #621
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Yeah, when they talk about this rebate back balancing out the carbon tax for middle income families. It balances out gas purchases if you only purchase about 400 liters of gas a year $200/(.45/litre tax) = 444.

So whatever you do, don't buy more then about 10 tanks of gas a year.

On top of it, this doesn't do anything for your power bill.

Oh and to really throw things in our face they're going to hire 247 bureaucrats this year.
Well, I only buy 10 or 15 tanks a year between my wife and me, but I won't be seeing any rebate because together we make more than the threshold. Maybe one of us should quite or job, or more likely we will get laid off. I have a small house and about the most efficient furnace you can buy, and this will still probably end up doubling my electrical and gas bill by 2018. But hey! Maybe this will incentivize me to burn fewer fossil fuels! Oh wait, no it won't. I'm basically bare minimum. I ride my bike to work every day. Should I stop being able to drive to the mountains to save the climate? Such BS.
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I guess the small consolation is knowing how much abuse the NDP MLAs will be talking from pissed off people. No one ounce of sympathy for them, even if they spend the day having people call in death threats.
I would hope that we're better then death threats, and abusing some poor smuck who has nothing to do with this ridiculous budget.

But I am going to be letting my MLA know that this is a joke in every way. That's democracy and how it works.

I remember seeing a resume once that had a byline that the applicant had caused a path of destruction wherever he worked. I think that this should be the NDP byline in the next election.
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Not surprised in the least. I was expecting a $15Bn deficit to be honest.

We will have to live with the consequences of voting in this merry band of idiots for decades.
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Well, I only buy 10 or 15 tanks a year between my wife and me, but I won't be seeing any rebate because together we make more than the threshold. Maybe one of us should quite or job, or more likely we will get laid off. I have a small house and about the most efficient furnace you can buy, and this will still probably end up doubling my electrical and gas bill by 2018. But hey! Maybe this will incentivize me to burn fewer fossil fuels! Oh wait, no it won't. I'm basically bare minimum. I ride my bike to work every day. Should I stop being able to drive to the mountains to save the climate? Such BS.
I have a very small carbon footprint that basically shrunk this year because I sold my jeep for a more gas efficient car.

Since I'm single I don't live in a massive house, and my monthly utility bill is under $50.00.

I'm a dream to the environmental anticarbon crew, but I'm taking a boot to the balls.
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I should literally be getting rewarded for being a good environmental citizen.

Frack it, I'm throwing bottles in the dumpster tonight instead of recycling.
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I'm disappointed for a couple reasons that are kind of intertwined. First, we heard for so long that we had to increase revenues to balance the books. So we grudgingly accepted increased taxes...or at least could sort of see our way past them. That didn't do a bloody thing though, obviously, as they're borrowing for operations. The infrastructure spend would be understood, but increased taxes couldn't fund operations!

Which brings me to the other glaring issue. All this talk of being too reliant on fossil fuels, and this doesn't do anything to change that. If anything they're doubling down because now we as a province will collect royalties on the fuels produced and then tax end users. I know there are relaxations to avoid double taxation, but I fail to see how this takes us off the reliance on fossil fuels, or anything close to that.

Really just a complete and utter disaster.
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I'm guessing there won't be anymore happy happy T-Shirt sharing ceremonies between our Mayor and our Pemier

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30th_A...neral_election

"The next provincial general election will occur on or before May 31, 2019...."



We are so boned.
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Every time Ceci stands up to speak in the legislature, the opposition should start chanting "resign Resign"
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I'm guessing there won't be anymore happy happy T-Shirt sharing ceremonies between our Mayor and our Pemier
So now our property taxes will go up to make up for this.
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Well tarnations, somebody is gonna have to cover the costs.
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Yeah, when they talk about this rebate back balancing out the carbon tax for middle income families. It balances out gas purchases if you only purchase about 400 liters of gas a year $200/(.45/litre tax) = 444.

So whatever you do, don't buy more then about 10 tanks of gas a year.

On top of it, this doesn't do anything for your power bill.

Oh and to really throw things in our face they're going to hire 247 bureaucrats this year.

That's 0.045 per liter, not .45......
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I would hope that we're better then death threats, and abusing some poor smuck who has nothing to do with this ridiculous budget.

But I am going to be letting my MLA know that this is a joke in every way. That's democracy and how it works.

I remember seeing a resume once that had a byline that the applicant had caused a path of destruction wherever he worked. I think that this should be the NDP byline in the next election.
Everyone here complaining should be writing their MLA, a CP Jihad at its finest.

Side note can we start a Calgary Puck Provincial Party?
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That's 0.045 per liter, not .45......
Yup, I'm wrong about that my bad.
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Its not really a carbon tax if 60% of families are expected to get a refund.

Maybe cut the tax rate by 50% and have everyone pay for it? Not sure I need to subsidize someone's gas costs.
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Every time Ceci stands up to speak in the legislature, the opposition should start chanting "resign Resign"
Like the people who voted for blind change for the sake of change (aka NDP) during the election, be careful what you wish for.

I'm sure it can be worse - who the hell would the NDP put in his place? Somebody with better experience or credentials? Maybe the Federal NDP can send a designated union rep from out of province to help out?
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Its not really a carbon tax if 60% of families are expected to get a refund.

Maybe cut the tax rate by 50% and have everyone pay for it? Not sure I need to subsidize someone's gas costs.
Do 60% of families in Alberta really make under $100k?
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Do 60% of families in Alberta really make under $100k?
The CBC article says that the government indicated that 60% of households will get a full refund and 66% a partial refund.
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But you only get money back if you make under $50k, which is a complete joke. $50k is not a middle income earner.
If you're an Albertan making $50k per year, you're actually earning more than the median income in this province. As of 2013 (the last year in which Statscan has published data), 58.9% of adult Albertans made under $50k/yr. The median income in the province was $40.4k.

Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...il105j-eng.htm

(PS: don't interpret this comment as a defense of the NDP's budget, which -- at least from what I've seen so far -- appears to be an utter disaster.)
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I'm disappointed for a couple reasons that are kind of intertwined. First, we heard for so long that we had to increase revenues to balance the books. So we grudgingly accepted increased taxes...or at least could sort of see our way past them. That didn't do a bloody thing though, obviously, as they're borrowing for operations. The infrastructure spend would be understood, but increased taxes couldn't fund operations!

Which brings me to the other glaring issue. All this talk of being too reliant on fossil fuels, and this doesn't do anything to change that. If anything they're doubling down because now we as a province will collect royalties on the fuels produced and then tax end users. I know there are relaxations to avoid double taxation, but I fail to see how this takes us off the reliance on fossil fuels, or anything close to that.

Really just a complete and utter disaster.
Operational spending is set to rise $2.5 B more than their budget in October, which was already an increase on already growing spending.

Operational spending is going up close to 20% in 4 years. Yee haw.

I think think they are projecting $2b a year in interest payments by then too.

Good thing they committed to keeping costs under control. Imagine if they hadn't
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