2015-2016 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[dino7c]

everyone still love his honesty? guy is as good as gone, he will make unrealistic demands of the Jays and sign elsewhere for less IMO

Trade him

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by dino7c

everyone still love his honesty?

Yes. Well no, not everyone will. Why would I hate on a guy for saying what he wants to get paid?

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't usually agree with TAO but in this case I do. Jose has always seem like a bit of a turd. Helluva bat. But still a turd.

I think Jose's turd-ness gets overblown. The guys is passionate about winning and about succeeding on a personal level. He wears his emotions on his sleeve, and it sometimes comes out as whiny-ness. I'm not happy with his public comments the last couple of days, but I would not move him based on attitude. (And I'm not saying that you've said that, just seems to be a common opinion)

I'd seriously be looking to move Jose for these reasons:
1) This current team is not built for sustainable success, and moving Jose represents one opportunity to bring in some young players who could help in that regard
2) Jose is a prime candidate for some serious regression in the next couple of years, unless he is moved full time to DH. I think his bat will stay strong for a few years, but his range will start to go soon, and he will be more of a hinderance then a help in the OF.
3) That contract is ridiculous, and if Jose doesn't back down from those numbers, and continues to give harming interviews, he will kill his trade value.

Trading him will be a hard sell to this fan-base, and it will be disappointing after all the fun we had last season, but I think its the right move if we can find a good return for him (that hopefully includes some pitching prospects).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Yes. Well no, not everyone will. Why would I hate on a guy for saying what he wants to get paid?

Getting paid is one thing but demanding unrealistic amounts with no negotiation is asking for a trade without asking for a trade.

Guy wants to make 30M a year when he is 41 GTFO

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I think Jose's turd-ness gets overblown. The guys is passionate about winning and about succeeding on a personal level. He wears his emotions on his sleeve, and it sometimes comes out as whiny-ness. I'm not happy with his public comments the last couple of days, but I would not move him based on attitude. (And I'm not saying that you've said that, just seems to be a common opinion)

I'd seriously be looking to move Jose for these reasons:
1) This current team is not built for sustainable success, and moving Jose represents one opportunity to bring in some young players who could help in that regard
2) Jose is a prime candidate for some serious regression in the next couple of years, unless he is moved full time to DH. I think his bat will stay strong for a few years, but his range will start to go soon, and he will be more of a hinderance then a help in the OF.
3) That contract is ridiculous, and if Jose doesn't back down from those numbers, and continues to give harming interviews, he will kill his trade value.

Trading him will be a hard sell to this fan-base, and it will be disappointing after all the fun we had last season, but I think its the right move if we can find a good return for him (that hopefully includes some pitching prospects).

There's nothing overblown as to what an asshat Jose Bautista. He's easily one, if not the, most hated player in the league outside of Toronto from both a fan and other MLB player perspective. He's the exact reason the Jays get no calls going their way.

He has a long history of being a complete ass throughout his entire career in Toronto. I won't go through the many examples of it, but it's been well documented in the Toronto media. My favourite was when we blamed the City of Toronto for his house getting broken in to because they didn't have gated communities. A guy from the Dominican who came from nothing now making 14M a year, crying that there isn't gated communities. What a joke.

Not sure if If I shared this story here before, but my wife and I had the displeasure of meeting the man in Chicago this summer when we went to see a 4 game series between the White Sox and the Jays. We had the seats right next to the dugout for all 4 games. All the players were great to the fans who travelled to see the team, except for Jose Bautista. A complete dick. One game he sawed off his bat in about the 4th inning. Guys beside us asked Gibby if they could have it. He gave it to them as a souvenir (thought that was weird as it could clearly be used as weapon, but whatever). Blue Jays end up winning the game, everyone on the team is in a good mood and is sticking around and talking to the fans. Bautista goes right into the stands and comes at the two guys with the bat. " That's my bat, my ####ing bat, where did you get that? That's my property, I paid for that, that's theft". Guys say "Sorry man we're from Toronto, Gibby gave it to us, and we just wanted to say good game and maybe get it signed". Bautista flicks his wrist at them, storms back into the dugout, makes a gesture, and refuses to acknowledge any of the little kids.

I've never in my life had an unprovoked interaction with a professional athlete like that in my life. Justin Smoak, who is actually a super nice guy despite my anger towards his strikeouts, apologized to everyone within ear shot saying "Must be a bad day". My wife, who has no preconceived notions about any of the players but has been to many different baseball games, asked me how I could be a fan of a team that a jackass like that played for.

I was willing to look away from Bautista's actions as long as we was crushing home runs, but now he's even more of a distraction. It's time for him to go, and I hope it happens before the season starts.

[Ne7en]

To put things perspective, David Price got $30 million. Would anyone dare to say which player was a bigger factor in the playoffs? I'm not saying the Jays should or shouldn't, but this guy holds a ton of value as the face of the franchise. Personally I think they let Eddy go, because they can't keep all three (Bautista/Donaldson/Encarnacion). Eddy is a bit more prone to injury, would still get a great return, and it isn't trading the biggest name on the team. Remember this is a business.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Was really hoping he would stick around, but if there's no negotiating and those numbers are correct then see ya later Jose. Wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt soon, too much drama.

[Ne7en]

‎@ShiDavidi:
Jose Bautista on report he asked for $150m over five years: "False." #BlueJays

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Getting paid is one thing but demanding unrealistic amounts with no negotiation is asking for a trade without asking for a trade.

He's not asking for a trade. The Jays are competing this year so they won't trade him before the deadline, they know that and he knows that.

I still don't see why I should hate on the guy just for saying what he wants to get paid (and might actually get paid... although I suspect if he does it'll be a lower AAV with deferred money).

Seriously... would you rather be lied to about it?

Edit: Nevermind

Originally Posted by Ne7en

‎@ShiDavidi:
Jose Bautista on report he asked for $150m over five years: "False." #BlueJays

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It was actually 155

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Parallex

He's not asking for a trade. The Jays are competing this year so they won't trade him before the deadline, they know that and he knows that.

I still don't see why I should hate on the guy just for saying what he wants to get paid (and might actually get paid... although I suspect if he does it'll be a lower AAV with deferred money).

Seriously... would you rather be lied to about it?

Edit: Nevermind

Nobody told you to hate the guy...feel whatever you like

Guy is likely asking for top dollar which is fine...but to make a demand and not negotiate at all is a dick move IMO

I would bet a large sum of money he is not on the team next season...might be for the best unless they cheap out and just not replace that money

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

To put things perspective, David Price got $30 million. Would anyone dare to say which player was a bigger factor in the playoffs? I'm not saying the Jays should or shouldn't, but this guy holds a ton of value as the face of the franchise. Personally I think they let Eddy go, because they can't keep all three (Bautista/Donaldson/Encarnacion). Eddy is a bit more prone to injury, would still get a great return, and it isn't trading the biggest name on the team. Remember this is a business.

The Jays made it to the playoffs because of Price. Take Bautista out of their lineup, and I really don't think it would make that much of a difference given the rest of their team.

Not saying Jose didn't contribute, but you can't compare pitchers to players in the field.

[TheAlpineOracle]

The problem with letting some of these guys walk if their demands are too high, is that there is not a chance in hell Rogers reinvest the money to get adequate replacements.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Guy is likely asking for top dollar which is fine...but to make a demand and not negotiate at all is a dick move IMO

Why? If you walk into a store and try to haggle on the price and the shop keep says the price is firm do you say he/she is a dick? Would you rather he inflate the price he wants so that after haggling he comes down to whatever his number is that he already told them?

His number is his number what difference does it make how he and the team get there?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Why? If you walk into a store and try to haggle on the price and the shop keep says the price is firm do you say he/she is a dick? Would you rather he inflate the price he wants so that after haggling he comes down to whatever his number is that he already told them?

His number is his number what difference does it make how he and the team get there?

He picked a number he knew the Jays can't pay. Planning his exit.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

There's nothing overblown as to what an asshat Jose Bautista. He's easily one, if not the, most hated player in the league outside of Toronto from both a fan and other MLB player perspective. He's the exact reason the Jays get no calls going their way.

Is there anything to back this claim up? Stats showing the Jose or the Jays are regularly on the receiving end of bad calls?

I'd be open to trading Bautista for reasons I stated already. I don't feel that the Jays owe him anything for outplaying his contract for the last few years either. But I wouldn't be trading him for an underwhelming return because the guy is a jerk off of the field.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

The Jays made it to the playoffs because of Price.

That's quite the stretch. I'd say the Jays made the playoffs for a number of reasons. Price contributed but certainly not the sole reason why the Jays made the playoffs.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

That's quite the stretch. I'd say the Jays made the playoffs for a number of reasons. Price contributed but certainly not the sole reason why the Jays made the playoffs.

It's more than a stretch. The Jays were 6 games ahead of the Yankees for the division and 7 games ahead of the Astros for the second wild card. And that includes resting players in the final week of the season.

David Price isn't worth that many wins on his own over the course of an entire season - let alone a two month period after the trade deadline.

[East Coast Flame]

I love Bautista, and have no problem with his negotiating stance. The Jays got one hell of a deal for the last 5 years and this is the guys last chance to really cash in. All the power to him. We were lucky to have him.

[Jason14h]

Big surprise, day after he gives his demand, the amount is 'leaked' and he denies it.

So who is telling the truth!