Man cites 'gender identity' rule after stripping in women's washroom

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by T@T

Great, instead of dirty old men in a young girls change room we'll just allow horny young boys. Seriously man, people just don't want the opposite sex in their bathrooms/change-rooms...period.

The more you post the more of a ignorant amd ill informed person you seem.


I bet you even would be ok with having a Trump 2016 bumper sticker.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The more you post the more of a ignorant amd ill informed person you seem.


I bet you even would be ok with having a Trump 2016 bumper sticker.

Really, since I'm so "ignorant" on the subject please go ahead and school me on this. If not, just shut your trap because not many like what comes out of it.

[OMG!WTF!]

Transgendered people deserve to use the change room, bathroom they identify with. People not living as a transgender do not. It's not that hard to figure out who is who. If you have a law that allows this you should also have a law that prohibits that. This gets a great big redneck duuuuuh in my books.

[taco.vidal]

Im not trolling here. I think there are some interesting issues that are going to arise as gender and sexuality issues become more addressed in our society.

Is there a difference between:1) a gay male in a change room full of men and 2) a straight male in a change room full of women?

In the first scenario everyone has the same equipment, but both scenarios seem pretty similar in terms of the sexuality of the situation.

I work out at a facility that seems to have a pretty high number of gay men as patrons. There are also a lot of kids who train at this facility such as swim teams ranging from little kids to teenagers. Is there a difference between having gay men changing with these boys and the scenario mentioned in the article above, other than the equipment being different?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Transgendered people deserve to use the change room, bathroom they identify with. People not living as a transgender do not. It's not that hard to figure out who is who. If you have a law that allows this you should also have a law that prohibits that. This gets a great big redneck duuuuuh in my books.

Really? Not that hard for the staff at a public pool to figure out who is transgendered and who is just a creep? Can you explain to me how they should do that?

This is another area where idealized dogma runs afoul of reality. People can sit at their keyboards all day typing about rights and diversity, but out in the real world, there are practical considerations in how people behave and how much they're willing to concede their own peace of mind to meet ideals.

You don't have to be a redneck to not want middle-aged males creeping around you daughter in change rooms. And one way to court backlash from reasonable, tolerant people is to say that any opposition can only be motivated by bigotry. That's a great way to come across as inflexible zealots and turn the majority against your cause.

Who here is married? Who has kids? Run this one by your wife and see how she feels about it. I did. She thinks allowing men in women's change rooms is lunacy. And she's not conservative or a redneck. She's an extremely liberal-minded social worker who knows there are a lot of creeps out there and who wants to feel safe, and have our daughter feel safe, in public change rooms.

As for just building special change rooms, last I checked public pools and leisure facilities don't have limitless money or space to keep adding different kinds of change rooms. There are far more people out there with mobility issues than the transgendered population, and yet we don't have wheelchair accessibility for every washroom and change room in Canada because it's simply not practical. Adding new transgendered change-rooms to every facility in the country would be even more expensive, and in some places simply not possible.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Im not trolling here. I think there are some interesting issues that are going to arise as gender and sexuality issues become more addressed in our society.

Is there a difference between:1) a gay male in a change room full of men and 2) a straight male in a change room full of women?

In the first scenario everyone has the same equipment, but both scenarios seem pretty similar in terms of the sexuality of the situation.

I work out at a facility that seems to have a pretty high number of gay men as patrons. There are also a lot of kids who train at this facility such as swim teams ranging from little kids to teenagers. Is there a difference between having gay men changing with these boys and the scenario mentioned in the article above, other than the equipment being different?

You might not be trolling but you're asking painfully tortured questions that have been answered over and over. And you seem to be implying that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same by suggesting there may be an issue with gay men changing with boys. If so, that's just sad.

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/H...lestation.html

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Really? Not that hard for the staff at a public pool to figure out who is transgendered and who is just a creep? Can you explain to me how they should do that?

This is another area where idealized dogma runs afoul of reality. People can sit at their keyboards all day typing about rights and diversity, but out in the real world, there are practical considerations in how people behave and how much they're willing to concede their own peace of mind to meet ideals.

You don't have to be a redneck to not want middle-aged males creeping around you daughter in change rooms. And one way to court backlash from reasonable, tolerant people is to say that any opposition can only be motivated by bigotry. That's a great way to turn the majority against your cause.

Who here is married? Who has kids? Run this one by your wife and see how she feels about it. I did. She thinks allowing men in women's change rooms is lunacy. And she's not conservative or a redneck. She's an extremely liberal-minded social worker who knows there are a lot of creeps out there and who wants to feel safe, and have our daughter feel safe, in public change rooms.

As for just building special change rooms, last I checked public pools and leisure facilities don't have limitless money or space to keep adding different kinds of change rooms. There are far more people out there with mobility issues than the transgendered population, and yet we don't have wheelchair accessibility for every washroom and change room in Canada because it's simply not practical. Adding new change-rooms to every facility in the country would be even more expensive, and in some places simply not possible.

It's totally easy. But like I said, if you have a law that allows this, you need a law that prohibits that. When investigated and brought to trial it would be brutally easy to establish who is living as a transgendered person on a day to day basis and who is just being a creep.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

It's totally easy. But like I said, if you have a law that allows this, you need a law that prohibits that. When investigated and brought to trial it would be brutally easy to establish who is living as a transgendered person on a day to day basis and who is just being a creep.

Investigated and brought to trial? Where is the money for that coming from? And how would a court determine if someone is trans-gendered without infringing on their right to privacy?

And you didn't answer my question: what are the staff at the pool supposed to do?

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Investigated and brought to trial? Where is the money for that coming from?

And you didn't answer my question: what are the staff at the pool supposed to do?

Where is the money coming from? What a ridiculous question. Let's not prosecute crime because it costs money?

What do most people do when they see a crime in progress?

Right to privacy? Do you understand what transgendered is? You're trying to establish how someone lives there day to day life, not what is underneath their clothes.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Where is the money coming from? What a ridiculous question. Let's not prosecute crime because it costs money?

What do most people do when they see a crime in progress?

How do people know that a crime is in progress if transgendered people are allowed to use whatever changerooms they want? What are the staff at the pool supposed to do?

[PsYcNeT]

It's too early in the morning to exchange debate about this, but later articles from more legitimate sources stated that the man was a previously vocal opponent of the new law, does not identify as a woman, and was doing this because he doesn't understand what gender identity is but thought he was proving a point.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How do people know that a crime is in progress if transgendered people are allowed to use whatever changerooms they want? What are the staff at the pool supposed to do?

A crime isn't being committed if a transgendered person uses the change room they identify with in Seattle. In this case it was a "man" changing in the women's locker. Not a transgendered person. That's why there was a problem. It's most likely that women would not even notice a transgendered person in the change room and even less likely that the transgendered person would act in a way that would make anyone feel as though a crime were being committed. I have never checked out guys for authenticity at the gym. There are outliers but unless you think someone would actually live their life fulltime as the opposite sex just to get a peak in the locker room of their choice this doesn't have to be an issue.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You might not be trolling but you're asking painfully tortured questions that have been answered over and over. And you seem to be implying that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same by suggesting there may be an issue with gay men changing with boys. If so, that's just sad.

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/H...lestation.html

Then are you implying that heterosexuality and pedophilia are the same by suggesting that there may be an issue with straight men changing with girls? I don't see the difference.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Then are you implying that heterosexuality and pedophilia are the same by suggesting that there may be an issue with straight men changing with girls? I don't see the difference.

Absolutely 100% not. Pedophilia is it's own thing. Most normal people have no interest in changing with young people. Pedophiles do. This is really easy stuff.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You might not be trolling but you're asking painfully tortured questions that have been answered over and over. And you seem to be implying that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same by suggesting there may be an issue with gay men changing with boys. If so, that's just sad.

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/H...lestation.html

No, I didnt imply or suggest that. The original article mentioned what is presumably a straight man changing with female children. I noted the similarity of that situation to that of gay men changing with male children.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It's too early in the morning to exchange debate about this, but later articles from more legitimate sources stated that the man was a previously vocal opponent of the new law, does not identify as a woman, and was doing this because he doesn't understand what gender identity is but thought he was proving a point.

Didn't he prove a point to you though? No one was arrested and he came back. Surely that points to a fairly obvious problem with the current arrangement.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Slava

Didn't he prove a point to you though? No one was arrested and he came back. Surely that points to a fairly obvious problem with the current arrangement.

If his point was to prove that spiteful regressives will ruin it for everyone else, then I guess point made?

[driveway]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Is there a difference between:1) a gay male in a change room full of men and 2) a straight male in a change room full of women?

I'm not going to quote rape, sexual assault, and violent crime statistics to you, because you know full well how idiotic the thing you just wrote was.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by driveway

I'm not going to quote rape, sexual assault, and violent crime statistics to you, because you know full well how idiotic the thing you just wrote was.

Do gay men have less propesnity to commit sexual crimes than straight men?

Also, is there stats for sexual assault against boys by gay men as compared to girls by straight men? How do these stats look when adjusted for percentage of gay versus straight proportions of the population?

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

No, I didnt imply or suggest that. The original article mentioned what is presumably a straight man changing with female children. I noted the similarity of that situation to that of gay men changing with male children.

Gay men change with children all the time. You don't understand the difference between being attracted to kids and adults. Nor do you understand the difference between being transgender and being a moron proving a pointless point. Chances are just as good a transgender female is attracted to males anyway.