2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[frodo_t_baggins]

Wait, so it's a 3rd and then if we don't resign him we add a 7th?

[Scornfire]

It's a 3rd if we re-sign, a 7th if we don't

[Vinny01]

You make a very unrealistic trade (notmholod that against you I do it all the time)

I interpret the point of your post to be "do Flames fans want Reimer and if so do you want him now". My response is no I don't want him today or next season. I think that is a very valid discussion though as he is one of the few goalies that is a UFA, Western Canadian boy, and Burke is very familiar.

A lot of people are against the flames giving up any futures for a rental. You make a claim the pick is virtually worthless if dont re-sign him. The trade you propose is terrible and would never happen so people are ripping it. I think everyone on this board knows what a conditional draft pick is, but the leafs would never make that trade so in my opinion it is a moot point.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The trade you propose is terrible and would never happen so people are ripping it. I think everyone on this board knows what a conditional draft pick is, but the leafs would never make that trade so in my opinion it is a moot point.

Does

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's my point. It's a good proposal from the Flames POV, despite how EV made it sound like the scorpion was on crack for suggesting it.

everyone

Originally Posted by dammage79

No, I'm saying you make a trade if the right one presents itself. And, if you were to make such a trade for a UFA, you know full well they'll get permission to talk extension before pulling the trigger.

It's not the first time that'll happen and it won't certainly be the last. Again, why compete with the few teams that will vie for a players services if the cost to sign and trade a player is a 3rd round pick in a weak draft. Guarantee you get the guy you want.

Like I said, explore all your options.

really

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Teams do it all the time. The Flames gave up assets for Bouwmeester and Wideman only days before they were to become UFA. What's the matter with doing it a few months before UFA?

And these are all hypotheticals. That means that they don't actually mean anything. The Scorpion doesn't have the authority to make real trades.

hate

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I really like the idea of getting a young goalie with upside, but definitely wait until summer!

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[frodo_t_baggins]

Now that you put it that way, it really is a remarkable trade! Case closed, no need to continue talking about it!

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by frodo_t_baggins

Now that you put it that way, it really is a remarkable trade! Case closed, no need to continue talking about it!

Greentext, or just gullibly insincere?

[GullFoss]

Im going to suggest the flames will go after Stamkos in the offseason, much like the hawks went out and got Hossa to solidify their top 6.

Even after accounting for Monahan and Johnny, the flames have $10-12m coming off the books, plus 2m in cap space. And the season after, Wideman, Englend and Smid come off, leaving plenty of room for Bennett, a defenseive replacement and a goalie.

[blender]

So, Reimer madness winding down...cue the Stamkos debate!

Again.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Im going to suggest the flames will go after Stamkos in the offseason, much like the hawks went out and got Hossa to solidify their top 6.

Even after accounting for Monahan and Johnny, the flames have $10-12m coming off the books, plus 2m in cap space. And the season after, Wideman, Englend and Smid come off, leaving plenty of room for Bennett, a defenseive replacement and a goalie.

Stamkos' personal childhood allegiances or money issues aside, do the Flames really need another centre?

[GullFoss]

He can play the wing. Gio, brodie, hamilton, johnny, monahan, bennett, stamkos. Add a decent goalie to that mix and you have a perennial stanley cup contender

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

He can play the wing. Gio, brodie, hamilton, johnny, monahan, bennett, stamkos. Add a decent goalie to that mix and you have a perennial stanley cup contender

with what leftover money?

[GullFoss]

The year after...when wideman, smid, englend, and raymond come off. Thays 16m to sign two 5-6 defensemen and a goalie

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The year after...when wideman, smid, englend, and raymond come off. Thays 16m to sign two 5-6 defensemen and a goalie

Umm, he's already going to have a contract by then.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stamkos' personal childhood allegiances or money issues aside, do the Flames really need another centre?

They have one of the worst centre depth in the league. There's Monahan, then Backlund, then Stajan and Jooris.

[codynw]

Stamkos sucks.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

They have one of the worst centre depth in the league. There's Monahan, then Backlund, then Stajan and Jooris.

If your centre depth is so terrible, why not play Bennett as your 2C and slot in Backlund at his natural 3C position?

Originally Posted by codynw

Stamkos sucks.

As a player? Absolutely not. I'd take a consistent 35+ goal/75+ point scorer on my team any day.

For the money he'll get? He won't suck, but his contract will look like Luongo's. Read: sucks.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

They have one of the worst centre depth in the league. There's Monahan, then Backlund, then Stajan and Jooris.

Erm, no. They have Monahan and Bennett as their long term centre 1-2 punch, don't be fooled by Hartley's reluctance to play Bennett as a centre.

Then we have 2 half decent 3rd line centres in Granlund and Backlund. Then we have Stajan. Then in the system, we have a bunch of prospects who could translate as 3rd-4th line centres. Shore, Grant, Arnold, Jankowski.

We don't have bad centre depth, at all.

[Caged Great]

Reimer isn't any better than any of the other potential UFA's on July 1st. Why not save the asset and run with the goalies we have until we can figure out who to get at the draft.

[Wolfman]

Stop this Reimer madness, he's no better than the goalies here now. He's not a #1 goalie which is what this team needs now!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

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I never said it was a bad trade for the Flames but did say the Leafs probably hate it. I find it hard to believe if they wanted to get rid of Reimer by the 29th the best they could do is get a conditional 3rd thst turns into a 7th if the team trading for him walks away.

Personally we either like Reimer a lot and trade a 3rd, he helps us win 5 more games and we draft 9th while letting Ortio likely go. I don't see much upside to your deal from either team.

Flames are best served to really get a long look at Ortio and/or Poulin rather than bring in a pending UFA goalie. If the deadline presents itself with an opportunity to get a goalie with term then that is a different story in my opinion