[Trade] Blue Jackets trade Ryan Johansen to Predators for Seth Jones

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

On what basis?

My basis is that he is sheltered in Nashville. Even with the vast majority of his starts in the offensive zone, he still only put up 25 points. A comparison would be a Dion Phaneuf, who scored 50+ points when he was sheltered, and it was only when he was thrust into a larger role that his deficiencies started to show.

Seth Jones still has a long ways to go. I feel that he hasn't proven enough to be a "top pairing defender", but more of a proven #3-4, nearly certain #2 with some seasoning, and a possible #1 sort of upside. We have no idea how well he will play when he is the number one guy playing the tough minutes.

Johansen plays the tough minutes and has produced. He's also a risk for a ton of reasons (attitude, poor performance this year etc.) but he has proven a lot more than Jones has at this point.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

PumperNicholl @PumperNicholl Since June 2011, the Blue Jackets have traded away:

Jake Voracek
Jeff Carter
Rick Nash
Marian Gaborik
Ryan Johansen

Well they got Carter by trading Voracek. Not driectly but they got Gaborik by trading Nash (imho that was a two part trade). So really they've traded Voracek, Nash and Johansen.

[dissentowner]

Nashville makes out like bandits on this one. I am not sold on Seth Jones at all. He logs a lot of minutes and shows nothing offensively to me that says he will be a top end D man.
I see him topping out as a solid 3-4 guy who can net 30 points off the blueline. On the other hand I think RJ now that he has gotten out of where he didn't want to be will be a consistent 40 goal C.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

While I think Jones is the better player, Johanssen fits a much bigger need. The Preds have needed a #1C since their inception. Arnott was as close as they got...

I don't mean to nitpick, but Peter Forsberg once played in Nashville.

[Enoch Root]

So why are so many Portland Winterhawks being traded?

Off the top of my head:

Johansen
Jones
Baertschi
Neidereiter
Leipsic

just in the last 2 or 3 years. And I believe there have been others.

[devo22]

Joe Morrow too.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

On what basis?

On the same basis what others have already stated. Columbus paid a hefty price for a sexy name who may or may not live up to the hype. Nashville just received a bonified young 1st line centre who has already put up a 71 point season. Huge win for Nashville Imo.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Nashville's the early winner. Their roster looks alot better today than yesterday.

Columbus added a big gun but lost a big gun with no real replacement. 1 step forward 1 step back while Nashville just flat out got better.

Yes, I was pretty much going to say this. Columbus addressed a weakness by acquiring the other top pairing d-man they need long term, but they lost a #1 center who are also hard to find. They essentially just created a new hole to fill, but I'm betting they tank hard the rest of the year for Matthews.

Nashville could afford to lose Jones since they already had Weber and Josi, but didn't have a true top line center. Relying on Mike Ribeiro will only get you so far. Mike Fisher is a better 3rd line guy than 2nd line guy at this point in his career.

With the Preds good track record of picking up and fixing reclamation projects, even if there are attitude issues, Johansen is probably not that much of a risk in their eyes.

Basically the Predators might have just made the move that pushes them over the top.

[Dion]

The fact that Edmonton didn't get Seth Jones makes me really happy. It's always a good day when the Oilers and thier fans are on the side lines wondering why they didn't take our offer.

I like hockey deals like this as it appears both sides have won and got the player they wanted.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TKB

On the same basis what others have already stated. Columbus paid a hefty price for a sexy name who may or may not live up to the hype. Nashville just received a bonified young 1st line centre who has already put up a 71 point season. Huge win for Nashville Imo.

You make it out as if Seth Jones is some unproven player. He's a stud young defenseman. He fetched way more in a trade than Dougie Hamilton did, that should give you an indication of his league wide value.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Dion

The fact that Edmonton didn't get Seth Jones makes me really happy. It's always a good day when the Oilers and thier fans are on the side lines wondering why they didn't take our offer.

I like hockey deals like this as it appears both sides have won and got the player they wanted.

Yep. Two defensemen have moved that would have fit their needs perfectly (Hamilton and Jones) and they got neither. It's great!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You make it out as if Seth Jones is some unproven player. He's a stud young defenseman. He fetched way more in a trade than Dougie Hamilton did, that should give you an indication of his league wide value.

He's bitter that that the Oilers didn't get him and now he is convincing himself that Jones is garbage to compensate.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Yep. Two defensemen have moved that would have fit their needs perfectly (Hamilton and Jones) and they got neither. It's great!

Seems like the Oiler fans/media are all about Hamonic now.

[Husky]

I find Seth Jones over rated.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He's bitter that that the Oilers didn't get him and now he is convincing himself that Jones is garbage to compensate.

Not bitter in the least and I don't think Jones is garbage at all. I like Johansen a lot and feel that Columbus paid a big price for a young defensemen who has a long ways to go before coming a top pairing option. I do appreciate you telling me how I feel though you truly are a hero.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Nashville's the early winner. Their roster looks alot better today than yesterday.

Columbus added a big gun but lost a big gun with no real replacement. 1 step forward 1 step back while Nashville just flat out got better.

Considering they're probably throwing in the towel this screams of an investment in some lottery tickets for Matthews though.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by VERVE

There has been some kicking tires sort of talk with Poile and the Oilers regarding RNH. I would trade for Josi or Jones. The Preds love having their forwards playing two way and RNH would fit in along with having a better attitude than say Johansen in CLB. Preds are loaded with fine dmen but short on a legit number one centre. Got to give up "good to get gooder"

I'll just leave this here

[TheCommodoreAfro]

I think Nashville might have done Draisaitl for Jones straight up as a bold move, but Johansen makes much more sense in the fact that he's arrived and able to pitch in now which is where the Preds are at from the looks of it. Whatever the case I'm glad Jones was available and the Oil didn't get him cos that would be a move they need to make.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Seems like the Oiler fans/media are all about Hamonic now.

They can dream all they want but it's not gonna happen

[OzSome]

I like the trade for Columbus. They got a stud defenseman in this deal and I think this kid is still improving and not even in his peak. Johanssen on the other hand gave Nashville the first line centre they've been looking for but I am not sure if He can repeat his performance the last few seasons. I might give Columbus a slight edge on this trade.