12-02-2015, 12:22 PM
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#41
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Most of these stars making 7 to 10 million per year could probably do without the $90,000 bonus check from the All Star game that probably ends up being $30,000 after taxes anyway.
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Why should this matter? It doesn't change the fact that including players who have no business being included in this event precludes the participation of someone who does, and carries with it significant monetary consequences. I don't care who you are: the $212,500 bonus that Gaudreau earned for his attendance at the All Star Game is a useful and welcome sum of money.
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Player sit out all the time. Iggy did it to spend time with his grandma.
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So what? This does not make it acceptable for including players who do not deserve to be included. Just because some players have made this choice in the past, are we to assume that all, or even most players will choose likewise?
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12-02-2015, 12:25 PM
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#42
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aka Spike
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The Darkest Corners of My Mind
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So tell me who's going to miss out because Scott is playing in this? Maybe Scott has an all star bonus as well, why shouldn't he benefit?
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12-02-2015, 12:28 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
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Dude what is your point?
"Deserve to be included" is a subjective term. Remember when Horcoff made it? According to thousands and maybe millions of fans, John Scott deserves it. According to you, he doesn't. So go vote for someone you think is deserving.
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12-02-2015, 12:28 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CMPunk
So tell me who's going to miss out because Scott is playing in this? Maybe Scott has an all star bonus as well, why shouldn't he benefit?
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Every player will get the bonus if they play.
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12-02-2015, 12:30 PM
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#45
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
That's fine, he might not get voted in.
But why would the NHL not allow it if he ends up #1 in voting? Every Latvian citizen in the world voted Grigensons in and the NHL didn't stop it.
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Girgensons is a good young player, Scott is a goon. They aren't comparable.
The NHL will just flood the other players with votes to push Scott out. Even if he won, he'd probably just decline. I can't see how he wouldn't be embarrassed by all this.
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12-02-2015, 12:32 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Girgensons is a good young player, Scott is a goon. They aren't comparable.
The NHL will just flood the other players with votes to push Scott out. Even if he won, he'd probably just decline. I can't see how he wouldn't be embarrassed by all this.
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According to textcritic though, the huge monetary bonus is impossible to turn down!
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12-02-2015, 12:32 PM
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#47
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aka Spike
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The Darkest Corners of My Mind
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I think everyone forgets this is just a fun game. People are taking this way to seriously. I can imagine Scott being a bit embarrassed, but also honored to play in the game, no matter how he got in.
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12-02-2015, 12:32 PM
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#48
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
It's one player for each division. Those guys will get the money they "deserve".
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It is contracted. According to the rules agreed to by all the stakeholders in the business of the NHL, All Star bonus money is absolutely deserved by those who qualify.
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
These guys make way too much money as it is. I don't feel bad at all for some multi-millionaire missing out on $100k.
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If you feel that NHL players make too much money, then the simple solution is for you to spend less on their product, but that is besides the point, which is this: the players who participate in the All Star Game are receiving payment for doing their job. It is quite practical to view the All Star bonus as received compensation for providing entertainment and promotion of the game at an event that is designed to generate revenue and corporate sponsorship. This is NOT a job for John Scott and his ilk, which is why he will not be participating.
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12-02-2015, 12:36 PM
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#49
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
According to textcritic though, the huge monetary bonus is impossible to turn down!
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Constructing a straw man is always an effective way of providing some self satisfaction. I very clearly never said anything like this.
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12-02-2015, 12:38 PM
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#50
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Dude what is your point?...
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My point is that there are all sorts of factors to consider in this farcical process of fan voting, and that there may actually be good reasons to select actual All Stars to participate in the All Star weekend festivities.
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12-02-2015, 12:39 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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See post #41.
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12-02-2015, 12:42 PM
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#52
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Sweden
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I voted for David Schlemko. I miss that guy.
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12-02-2015, 12:44 PM
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#53
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
See post #41.
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Yes. Your response to post #41 is a straw man caricature of what actually appears in post #41. I take this to mean that you don't know what you are talking about.
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12-02-2015, 12:44 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Igottago
I have no issues with this. The league is kind of a joke anyways. It's not like the NHL didn't pull off the ultimate troll job with the 2015 draft lottery. If the NHL insists on being a joke league, might as well go all the way with it.
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On what planet is it in the NHLs interest for the Oilers to win that? I can assure you that they wanted that less than even you
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12-02-2015, 12:48 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Calgary
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Vote for Rory was hilarious, but it's been done lets move on.
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12-02-2015, 12:51 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
On what planet is it in the NHLs interest for the Oilers to win that? I can assure you that they wanted that less than even you
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I'm not saying they wanted it. I'm saying they failed to correct a system that has allowed constant mismanagement and incompetency to be rewarded with major assets, time and time again.
Anyways, that's a bigger issue than the all star game, but I do feel the NHL is a league I can't take seriously at times. And with that being said, John Scott being at the All Star game seems fitting.
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12-02-2015, 12:51 PM
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#57
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Adrian Dater @adater
NHL's Bill Daly to Bleacher Report on John Scott/ASG :"If you have a fan polling system, and voting is legitimate, you honor the results."
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12-02-2015, 12:54 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Adrian Dater @adater
NHL's Bill Daly to Bleacher Report on John Scott/ASG :"If you have a fan polling system, and voting is legitimate, you honor the results."
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Haha this is going to be sick. Watch him get paired with Benn/Seguin or Crosby/Malkin haha.
Terrific.
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12-02-2015, 12:58 PM
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#59
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Igottago
I'm not saying they wanted it. I'm saying they failed to correct a system that has allowed constant mismanagement and incompetency to be rewarded with major assets, time and time again...
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I know that this appears to be a meaningful narrative, but it is actually a fairly disingenuous portrayal of what happened last Spring. In actual fact, the Oilers were incredibly fortunate to win the draft lottery, and did so despite the changes that the NHL had implemented precisely in an effort to prevent what happened. If anything, it is tragically ironic and morbidly comical that the very rules set in place to quell the Oilers insatiable acquisition of #1 draft picks actually resulted for them in yet another #1 pick.
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12-02-2015, 01:09 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I know that this appears to be a meaningful narrative, but it is actually a fairly disingenuous portrayal of what happened last Spring. In actual fact, the Oilers were incredibly fortunate to win the draft lottery, and did so despite the changes that the NHL had implemented precisely in an effort to prevent what happened. If anything, it is tragically ironic and morbidly comical that the very rules set in place to quell the Oilers insatiable acquisition of #1 draft picks actually resulted for them in yet another #1 pick.
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THat is exactly what he is saying.
It's a joke that the Oilers got another 1st OA. The NHL's rules are a joke.
There should be a rule where a team is banned from a 1st OA for a period of X years.
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