Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[dammage79]

Anti-Weed people are dumber than a rock. Don't care. You're stupid. You can't have a constructive conversation with someone with a head full of rocks.

Life in prison for selling weed. 10 years for being a stoner with the munchies. Move to the states then. Wait, they're legalizing it sate by state.

Prohibitionists are right there with creationists in my book. Keep on living under that rock you call a head.

[stampsx2]

Sometimes i need a reminder how left wing cp really is and the election thread is just the thread to do it.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Sometimes i need a reminder how left wing cp really is and the election thread is just the thread to do it.

are you serious? please don't venture onto any of the other canadian forums on the internet if you think that this website is left wing, because I think you'll be so blown away your head might explode.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

are you serious? please don't venture onto any of the other canadian forums on the internet if you think that this website is left wing, because I think you'll be so blown away your head might explode.

it is a classic case of a person with their head in the sand. The conservatives are polling at what 30%? That means the vast majority of the nation is actually left of the conservatives? 70% of all Canadians are Liberal or left right now.

Meaning....if I wanted to blow it out of portion I would say a true conservative is an extreme right winger by our standards?

[Drak]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Sometimes i need a reminder how left wing cp really is and the election thread is just the thread to do it.

Left wing? Seems more moderate overall and perhaps right of centre than left wing.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

it is a classic case of a person with their head in the sand. The conservatives are polling at what 30%? That means the vast majority of the nation is actually left of the conservatives? 70% of all Canadians are Liberal or left right now.

Meaning....if I wanted to blow it out of portion I would say a true conservative is an extreme right winger by our standards?

The vast majority of Canadian are centrists, neither right nor left, but relatively right on economic policy and liberal on social policy. Generally, I would say most Canadians want a pragmatic, responsible, moderate government more than anything else.

The posters on here are more supporting of liberal policies than the average Albertan, but I think that's more because they are also more informed. In general, when I test most of my staunch conservative supporting friends to see where their ideals are, their ideals match more closely with the stated ideals of the NDP than with the conservative party. They just think the conservative party is more likely to enable people to reach those ideals, or think the government's main role should be get out of the way in terms of achieving those ideals. They also seem determined to ignore how authoritarian the conservative government has become, and just how little they actually represent typical conservative values (which are actually largely about conserving traditional liberal values).

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

it is a classic case of a person with their head in the sand. The conservatives are polling at what 30%? That means the vast majority of the nation is actually left of the conservatives? 70% of all Canadians are Liberal or left right now.

Meaning....if I wanted to blow it out of portion I would say a true conservative is an extreme right winger by our standards?

No it doesn't mean that. What about the portion between where the Conservatives stand and the Liberals stand? They're right of the Libs.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Dagger

No it doesn't mean that. What about the portion between where the Conservatives stand and the Liberals stand? They're right of the Libs.

Hardly. The difference between the liberals and conservatives on most is quite small. Liberals are slightly more evidence based and conservatives slightly more ideals based, but in practice they are similar. The conservatives were moving to the right as far as economic policy goes, but corrected back towards liberal policy after the 2008 crash. There are so many red tories and blue liberals for a reason. Lots of people are generally comfortable with the stated policies of both parties.

[Morozee]

Originally Posted by adc

No I do not drink.

I do remember junior high and high school it was not that easy to get it (I went to school in Calgary so not some isolated tiny village or anything) and it was much easier to get the legal and regulated alcohol. Marijuana is much worse in my view than alcohol.

I think legalizing pot will definitely do more to legitimize so yes I think it will be harder to prevent my children from doing it.

Personally I think the better way to stop the criminals from selling it is to make the punishments real punishments not the weak punishments they have now. If you are caught selling you are in jail for life no parole. Caught with any marijuana even as little as one joint, ten years in jail minimum.

Troll. Surely no one is really this naive and ignorant.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Drak

Left wing? Seems more moderate overall and perhaps right of centre than left wing.

I think many right leaning people are just really disappointed right now with the way the campaign has gone and are not being very vocal.

I still see this election going either way. A Liberal government would be a bug change from the past 10 years and change is scary for some people.

[adc]

Not a troll at all, sorry if my views have offended people or made them think that. I will step out of the discussion so this doesn't go further sideways.

Those are my true views on the matter and unlike I have been portrayed I am not dumb or ignorant. I do my best to follow along with the election and politics in general. I think that makes me informed than most voters sorry if expressing the views after doing all that isn't good enough for some.

Hopefully Conservatives get out to vote tomorrow and take another majority.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by adc

. Marijuana is much worse in my view than alcohol.

.

Yah well, your "view" is incorrect. It isn't based on reality or facts. Alcohol is much more damaging than marijuana by far. Over a year, 80k+ people die in the USA from alcohol. Not to mention addiction and abuse stats, as well as burdens on healthcare systems.

Marijuana? No deaths associated directly with usage. Period.

Listen, do yourself a favor and educate yourself, instead of spouting off complete nonsense.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still see this election going either way.

You mean either a Liberal minority or a majority by either way right?

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Dagger

No it doesn't mean that. What about the portion between where the Conservatives stand and the Liberals stand? They're right of the Libs.

Yes, I agree its not that black and white, in fact, I fall in this area.

Originally Posted by sworkhard

The vast majority of Canadian are centrists, neither right nor left, but relatively right on economic policy and liberal on social policy. Generally, I would say most Canadians want a pragmatic, responsible, moderate government more than anything else.

I think you're agreeing with me?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by adc

Not a troll at all, sorry if my views have offended people or made them think that. I will step out of the discussion so this doesn't go further sideways.

Those are my true views on the matter and unlike I have been portrayed I am not dumb or ignorant. I do my best to follow along with the election and politics in general. I think that makes me informed than most voters sorry if expressing the views after doing all that isn't good enough for some.

Hopefully Conservatives get out to vote tomorrow and take another majority.

I don't think your views offended anyone. However, I do think you need to be aware of your own bias before calling others biased. I know i'm center-right and used to be more right than center. However, as I have to continually remind my conservative friends that reality is almost always biased against the ruling party, and just because they have done a good job on some issues, it may be that another party is nearly as good on those issues while aligning better with the majority of Canadians on others. Caring about more than just the economic record doesn't make this board particularly liberal; I do think there's a quite strong anti-harper sentiment though.

I plugged my nose and voted conservative after seeing how the conservative candidate was the only candidate that had any hope of representing my riding effectively, even though I am very disappointed with the Conservatives around science, justice, and surveillance among others. While I would have like to vote Liberal this election as I think they will do a better job in the areas the conservatives failed without majorly screwing up most of what they did well, local representation trumped that.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I think you're agreeing with me?

Yes, except I think that what you call left or liberal, is actually centrist as far as the broad spectrum goes. I suspect we agree on that too.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Yes, except I think that what you call left or liberal, is actually centrist as far as the broad spectrum goes. I suspect we agree on that too.

ya that was my point. If 70% of the nation is "left".... it obviously isn't left anymore.

[Morozee]

Originally Posted by adc

Not a troll at all, sorry if my views have offended people or made them think that. I will step out of the discussion so this doesn't go further sideways.

Those are my true views on the matter and unlike I have been portrayed I am not dumb or ignorant. I do my best to follow along with the election and politics in general. I think that makes me informed than most voters sorry if expressing the views after doing all that isn't good enough for some.

Hopefully Conservatives get out to vote tomorrow and take another majority.

Nm

[Kavvy]

nm

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

ya that was my point. If 70% of the nation is "left".... it obviously isn't left anymore.

Not really. 70% of the nation could be fascist neo-nazi's, but it would make them any less far right just because the position had a majority.

There are very few communists or strong socialists in this country, and that is what the left is made of. I don't mean the neo socialism we mean by socialism today which is about redistributing wealth gained via capitalism to keep people from starving and reduce how many are on the streets to the benefit of all, as that's a very centrist position, but rather the older idea of socialism that's only a few democratic and individualistic steps away from communism.