08-10-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Iggy City
I'm not arguing that it's not right, it's obviously illegal. But this reporter seems to want to start a witch hunt for the guy, which I think is excessive.
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What, in your opinion, would be an appropriate response?
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
To be clear, this was not sexual harassment, though it may have been sexual assault - whether this counts as "applying force" to the reporter in a manner that violated her sexual integrity. I don't know the case law on what the standard is there (apparently a bunch of contextual factors come into play in determining this).
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That's exactly what I said. It's sexual assault. If you just go to a bar any given Friday you'll see it happen dozens of times. Lots of people have no idea what they're doing is criminal.
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If I can answer for him - filing the complaint with police and doing nothing further
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Yeah. That's what happened. CBC chose to cover this in a story.
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If this guy is found and his life is destroyed for doing something stupid while drun at a concert, that will be the worst thing by far that happened here.
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I'm ok with that if people learn what sexual assault is and act accordingly while drunk at a concert.
Last edited by OMG!WTF!; 08-10-2015 at 10:50 AM.
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08-10-2015, 10:45 AM
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#42
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If I can answer for him - filing the complaint with police and doing nothing further. If this guy is found by a frenzied internet mob and his life is publicly destroyed for doing something stupid while drunk at a concert, that will be the worst thing by far that happened here.
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08-10-2015, 10:50 AM
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#43
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Looooooooooooooch
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
What, in your opinion, would be an appropriate response?
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Anything other than asking him to be publicly identified.
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08-10-2015, 10:51 AM
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#44
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08-10-2015, 10:51 AM
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#45
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
What, in your opinion, would be an appropriate response?
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Laugh it off as the joke it was?
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
That's exactly what I said. It's sexual assault. If you just go to a bar any given Friday you'll see it happen dozens of times. Lots of people have no idea what they're doing is criminal.
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Should I be trying to find every chick who smacked/grabbed my ass at the cowboys tent and press charges?
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08-10-2015, 10:54 AM
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Johnny Depp is in character (and probably staged) so that's ok.
Also 3/85 is a terrible reply.
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08-10-2015, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan02
Laugh it off as the joke it was?
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Kind of like laughing off those rapscallions who keyed your car?
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Anything other than asking him to be publicly identified
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Really? So we, the public, should harbor criminals? Cops use public photogaphy all the time to catch people. Why should this guy be any different?
It is 1970. Yikes.
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08-10-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan02
Laugh it off as the joke it was?
Should I be trying to find every chick who smacked/grabbed my ass at the cowboys tent and press charges?
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It doesn't really matter how someone else would react in a similar situation. We don't know her background or what things might have happened in her life to make this such an unnerving experience. Plus, if you laugh something like that off when it happens on TV, how long until every attention starved jackass is trying to do the same thing?
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08-10-2015, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
People in broadcasting will tell you bystanders have always done stupid stuff around TV cameras, but it's happening more and more often these days. Hard to say why. Is it a general lack of self-restraint, or a desperate need to be seen by others?
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Yeah, but maybe its time to take that stand.
Honestly, people doping stupid crap in front of cameras is nothing new, there are whole television shows dedicated to idiots being idiots on camera, American Idol, Big Brother, Survivor, etc.
But doing stupid crap on the local news has become so commonplace that it appears to have become accepted.
Some reporters probably like it for the publicity or notoriety and some probably hate it because it makes them look foolish and unprofessional, but its happened since the first day reporters decided to go out on the street and talk to people, but if it has to stop then all of it has to stop.
People. They're the worst!
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08-10-2015, 11:01 AM
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#50
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
Really? So we, the public, should harbor criminals?
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Good lord. You are completely out of your tree on this. First of all, he's not a criminal as far as I know - hasn't even been charged with anything. Second, if he were charged, it's absolutely not clear that he would be convicted of anything. Third, even if he were clearly guilty, the correct response is not a public tarring and feathering - it's an arrest, charges, due process and a sentence.
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08-10-2015, 11:02 AM
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#51
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Plus, if you laugh something like that off when it happens on TV, how long until every attention starved jackass is trying to do the same thing?
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Well we've had tv for what 70 years and people have been doing stupid stuff like this on occasion pretty much since it was invented yet it hasn't led to a full scale pandemic yet, so I highly doubt it ever will.
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08-10-2015, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
Take a look at her twitter. This appears to be an instance where this is clearly done for attention.
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Go on.
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08-10-2015, 11:06 AM
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Looooooooooooooch
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
Really? So we, the public, should harbor criminals? Cops use public photogaphy all the time to catch people. Why should this guy be any different?
It is 1970. Yikes.
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Because the guy didn't commit a 1st degree murder? Or should we call a SWAT team to his house for this?
There are different levels of crime you know, not all of them involve the same repercussions.
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08-10-2015, 11:10 AM
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Not to mention he's not clearly guilty. There's intentionally quite a bit of grey area in the sexual assault provision in the criminal code; it covers everything from maybe stuff like this to rape at knifepoint.
Is someone, realistically, ever going to get charged with sexual assault for something like this? Or as OMGWTF said, the similar behavior that happens in bars all the time? I'd say that in almost every case the answer is "probably not" - I don't know, though, I am neither with the RCMP nor do I practice criminal law.
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08-10-2015, 11:13 AM
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#55
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Good lord. You are completely out of your tree on this. First of all, he's not a criminal as far as I know - hasn't even been charged with anything. Second, if he were charged, it's absolutely not clear that he would be convicted of anything. Third, even if he were clearly guilty, the correct response is not a public tarring and feathering - it's an arrest, charges, due process and a sentence.
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Public photography happens all the time. None of the people shown front and center in security camera video on the news every night are convicted of anything. That's why it's on the news. The cops are looking for people. CBC has every right to publish the photos in connection to the POSSIBLE crime and investigation. Man, brutal lack of understanding here.
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Is someone, realistically, ever going to get charged with sexual assault for something like this? Or as OMGWTF said, the similar behavior that happens in bars all the time? I'd say that in almost every case the answer is "probably not" - I don't know, though, I am neither with the RCMP nor do I practice criminal law
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The problem most of the time is not proving the action happened, it's proving consent, or lack there of. Kissing someone on the cheek is not illegal. This however probably is.
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08-10-2015, 11:20 AM
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I think the worst part of this and all the FHRITP stuff is that they are just out trying to do their jobs. When something like this happens, they are then constantly thrown off balance, maybe watching whoever is around them and distracting them form their job. How would you like it if you were giving a presentation or speech, or talking at a meeting and someone came up and distracted you? I'd be flustered through the rest of it, then probably pissed off that I wasn't able to do my job to the best of my ability.
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08-10-2015, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
The problem most of the time is not proving the action happened, it's proving consent, or lack there of. Kissing someone on the cheek is not illegal. This however probably is.
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Is it? The best I can get to is "maybe, but I doubt he'd ever be charged". I'd be interested to hear from someone who knows better but on the other hand I've already spent way more energy on this incident than I feel it deserves, so continue your ragegasm, sir.
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08-10-2015, 11:25 AM
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To some degree, dealing with idiots in public is part of the job of a live reporter. The problem is that women are targeted for this stuff more often than men, and it seems to be increasing in frequency. The poetic justice would be to find out where these idiots work, and then interrupt and publicly embarrass them in front of customers or their boss.
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08-10-2015, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
To some degree, dealing with idiots in public is part of the job of a live reporter. The problem is that women are targeted for this stuff more often than men, and it seems to be increasing in frequency. The poetic justice would be to find out where these idiots work, and then interrupt and publicly embarrass them in front of customers or their boss.
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Like that idiot in Toronto? Didn't he get fired for yelling FHITP?
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08-10-2015, 11:35 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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A kiss on the cheek is sexual assault? Wow I feel bad for her and everyone who thinks so.
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