Right now he's in hiding and likely will be for the foreseeable future, or until he comes up on charges in either the US or Zimbabwe. Can't imagine his clients will remain loyal and just wait for all this to pass. And that assumes they aren't disgusted by this which I'd imagine many are.
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Late to the party here has he lost a lot of his clients?
Practice has been closed since news broke, he's in hiding and there are still protesters outside, so yes he's lost some of them. Rest may drop him after all the negative press/comments. He does have the market cornered on dental work for d-bag big game trophy hunters, so he has that going for him.
The sad thing to me is this is one man, and one case. Obviously there were other kills attributed to this man. What bothers me is this is one guy who was caught. The amount of illegal poaching in Africa alone must be staggering.
I came across the carcass of a black bear once that had signs of being dragged by the neck and it's gallbladder removed. The incident was reported to conservation officers and basically it was shrugged off. It is hard to catch poachers in the act. How many get away with it daily is truly disturbing.
yeah and there are organized tours! Professionals lured the Lion out for him.
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I believe he thinks he was doing a legal hunt, he probably wasn't aware his guides lured animals out of the preserve. There is so much corruption in that country, the amount of "anger" from the government there is quite ironic considering most of their officials get routinely bribed for all number of things.
Love the 'ol "people are dying everywhere and we only care about dead lions" argument I am seeing today.... Yes, because we definitely need to choose between the two... To try and pretend or imply that the amount of resources, time, and money put towards wildlife conversation comes anywhere close to matching the same put toward human conservation, in any region of the world, is just silly. There is enough energy and compassion in people to concern themselves with both.
If we did want to think about the children and the people though- trophy hunting in Africa is a million dollar industry while wildlife tourism is a billion dollar industry. I wonder which of the two is more important to maintain with the welfare of people in Africa in mind.
And I don't think this argument, criticizing our concern for a lion in apparent ignorance of "real world problems" is just being made by proponents of hunting that genuinely have no problem with what this man did- it is probably coming from your typical group of counter-cultures who just can't stand the thought of jumping on any mainstream bandwagon. They will go back to not caring about either human life, or wildlife, in days I'm sure.
Love the 'ol "people are dying everywhere and we only care about dead lions" argument I am seeing today.... Yes, because we definitely need to choose between the two... To try and pretend or imply that the amount of resources, time, and money put towards wildlife conversation comes anywhere close to matching the same put toward human conservation, in any region of the world, is just silly. There is enough energy and compassion in people to concern themselves with both.
If we did want to think about the children and the people though- trophy hunting in Africa is a million dollar industry while wildlife tourism is a billion dollar industry. I wonder which of the two is more important to maintain with the welfare of people in Africa in mind.
And I don't think this argument, criticizing our concern for a lion in apparent ignorance of "real world problems" is just being made by proponents of hunting that genuinely have no problem with what this man did- it is probably coming from your typical group of counter-cultures who just can't stand the thought of jumping on any mainstream bandwagon. They will go back to not caring about either human life, or wildlife, in days I'm sure.
I agree with you in all points, and I'm fully onboard.
But I do understand where some of those writers are coming from. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc, people are getting killed at an alarming rate, and sometimes it barely makes news. For people who feel strongly about those stories, it might get frustrating it doesn't get exposure.
Cecil has been the top story for two days which RARELY happens anymore.
My only problem with this whole thing, while its a few
1) Internet shaming is like faux grieving where you have a core group that's actually upset about something, and a larger group that does it because it makes them feel like part of the pack. Its pack hunting and rioting on an electronic level. You know its like the protests where there are groups of people in there holding a sign, but if you ask them what they're protesting they have no clue, they just want to be part of the riot that's to come.
2) Is this really doing anything to raise awareness of money for that national park? This isn't about hunting or preservation, its about being mad about something.
3) I always get pissed off when I see people dragging their 4 year old kid out to a protest to hold a sign and they have no clue about what's going on. Its about using you're cute kid to gain points, and not about the protest itself, but its to show off your cute kid cluelessly holding their sign up so you can brag about how aware you're little precious is.
Look sport hunting to me is gross, the fact that they lured the Lion out of the national park, and the methods they used, and then the attempt to destroy the tracking collar means that someone knew that what they were doing is wrong.
But this protest is nothing more then people shouting, and when something else bad happens out there, those same people that are taking this thing beyond a way personal level will move on and Cecil the Lions death will mean absolutely nothing.
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I agree with you in all points, and I'm fully onboard.
But I do understand where some of those writers are coming from. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc, people are getting killed at an alarming rate, and sometimes it barely makes news. For people who feel strongly about those stories, it might get frustrating it doesn't get exposure.
Cecil has been the top story for two days which RARELY happens anymore.
I definitely agree with what you're saying Cro there are more then just lions being poached daily, as you pointed out people are being killed at the same rate if not worse in those countries. I can see how its frustrating.
I think the difference here is pretty simple, its the means in which the actions were carried out on poor Cecil. I can almost guarantee you that if a bunch of kids/people in Iraq or Syria were lured away from there home and then blinded with a spotlight and shot/left to suffer for 40hrs then killed/dismembered and then the evidence tampered with in hopes nobody finds out. I can SURELY say there would be just as much new's coverage (or so you would hope)
With that being said, I'll agree the masses that have come out to shame the dentist for what he's done and what not definitely outweighs any support you currently see when a news story about the above is ever aired but I think that has more to do with an individuals concept of morality more then anything. People seem to be able to understand the poaching aspect on animal's / relate to the unethical aspect a bit more for whatever reason and we cant really change that.
Either way, its very sad that these canned hunts are allowed and in this specific case money bought his escape from Zimbabwe.
I definitely agree with what you're saying Cro there are more then just lions being poached daily, as you pointed out people are being killed at the same rate if not worse in those countries. I can see how its frustrating.
I think the difference here is pretty simple, its the means in which the actions were carried out on poor Cecil. I can almost guarantee you that if a bunch of kids/people in Iraq or Syria were lured away from there home and then blinded with a spotlight and shot/left to suffer for 40hrs then killed/dismembered and then the evidence tampered with in hopes nobody finds out. I can SURELY say there would be just as much new's coverage (or so you would hope)
With that being said, I'll agree the masses that have come out to shame the dentist for what he's done and what not definitely outweighs any support you currently see when a news story about the above is ever aired but I think that has more to do with an individuals concept of morality more then anything. People seem to be able to understand the poaching aspect on animal's / relate to the unethical aspect a bit more for whatever reason and we cant really change that.
Either way, its very sad that these canned hunts are allowed and in this specific case money bought his escape from Zimbabwe.
I'm sure many of the suicide market bombings aren't exactly the cleanest of kills. I am sure many of the women and children die afterwards after much suffering. And I think that is the point of some of the writers who are arguing that those killings don't get enough coverage compared to Cecil. Truth be told, the ISIS beheadings of Christians doesn't get the public backlash that Palmer got, and they probably should. Yes, NATO went and is bombing ISIS now, but the general public isn't as "upset" as they are over Cecil.
On Tuesday, an American dentist admitted to paying $50,000 to hunt and kill Cecil the lion, a beloved animal and popular tourist attraction in Zimbabwe. News of the killing sparked swift condemnation on social media, with many calling for Walter Palmer to be extradited to Zimbabwe to stand trial.
Amid the outrage, photos quickly resurfaced of Donald Trump's sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, posing with the dead bodies of several exotic animals, including an African elephant and leopard, they had previously hunted for sport.
To play the devils advocate here, can it be proven without a shadow of doubt thst this man was aware this was an illegal kill and that the animal was drawn out from the park? If he believed he was on a legal hunt and did all that was required by law (not that that would make trophy hunting acceptable) the guides would be to blame for shady practices.
To play the devils advocate here, can it be proven without a shadow of doubt thst this man was aware this was an illegal kill and that the animal was drawn out from the park? If he believed he was on a legal hunt and did all that was required by law (not that that would make trophy hunting acceptable) the guides would be to blame for shady practices.
Honestly, who cares? Trophy hunting is still a ###### move.
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I can't wait to hear Trump supporters defend this one. Scratch that, I can't wait to hear Trump defend it!
I'm no Trump supporter. Hell, I'll bash them any chance I get, but what the Trumps did there was completely legal. Now, whether or not it should be is a different story.
As for the elephant, they are hunted in certain situations.
Population control would be the main one. Too many in an area can result in them damaging their habitat which can lead to starvation, harm to other species, etc.
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Honestly, who cares? Trophy hunting is still a ###### move.
Probably the man and his family who are being attacked. Again, not condoning the hunt but if he was right legally he is being unfairly attacked. Just because we don't agree with laws in Africa doesn't mean that he was legally (not morally) in the wrong.
To play the devils advocate here, can it be proven without a shadow of doubt thst this man was aware this was an illegal kill and that the animal was drawn out from the park? If he believed he was on a legal hunt and did all that was required by law (not that that would make trophy hunting acceptable) the guides would be to blame for shady practices.
I believe it was posted in the news article that he himself acknowledged they lured the animal away from the protected area via animal carcaus towed behind their vehicle. He was also present when they shot/skinned and beheaded the animal and tampered with the collar in hopes to destroy it.
You'd think even the stupidest of individuals would realize that's not "normal practice" let alone a guy who's been doing these exotic hunts for years all across the globe.
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Probably the man and his family who are being attacked. Again, not condoning the hunt but if he was right legally he is being unfairly attacked. Just because we don't agree with laws in Africa doesn't mean that he was legally (not morally) in the wrong.
No, his actions should still universally be condemned.
If for instance slavery was legal in another country, or lets say sex slaves, and an American went over there, spent $50k to have 12 women as sex slaves for a couple weeks, then came back and said "what? everything I did was legal there".
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I'm no Trump supporter. Hell, I'll bash them any chance I get, but what the Trumps did there was completely legal. Now, whether or not it should be is a different story.
As for the elephant, they are hunted in certain situations.
Population control would be the main one. Too many in an area can result in them damaging their habitat which can lead to starvation, harm to other species, etc.
Hmm this sounds familiar. Like there's one major species that causes these problems on a mass scale with the full power and intelligence to stop it. I can't put my finger on it, the name's on the tip of my tongue...
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To play the devils advocate here, can it be proven without a shadow of doubt thst this man was aware this was an illegal kill and that the animal was drawn out from the park? If he believed he was on a legal hunt and did all that was required by law (not that that would make trophy hunting acceptable) the guides would be to blame for shady practices.
This guy has a felony record for lying to officials about an illegal kill he made. He killed a bear in an illegal spot and took it 40 miles to a legal zone. I'd say his past strongly suggests a flagrant disregard for hunting legally. He wanted the trophy, didn't really care how he got it.
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