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JiriHrdina · 06-26-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

The mocks that have Barzal going 13 or 14 hurt my feelings

I hear you - it feels like the Flames are one spot below where a faller could land.

JiriHrdina · 06-26-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

http://www.tsn.ca/joel-eriksson-ek-centre-1.293869

Watched the Button recap, what did he have such low point totals though?

4 goals and 2 assists in 34 games for someone who could be a top 2 centre seems odd.

Oliver Kylington on the same team had 2 goals + 3 assists in 18 games as a defenceman.

I never know what to read into European stats.

Robbob · 06-26-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Don't forget Sportsnet will also have round two and beyond coverage tomorrow morning starting at 8am.

I looked at my TV guide and didn't see anything (ditto when looking on their website at the tv listings). Are you talking radio or TV?

dammage79 · 06-26-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

I looked at my TV guide and didn't see anything (ditto when looking on their website at the tv listings). Are you talking radio or TV?

Should be SN ONE.

Flames Draft Watcher · 06-26-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

http://www.tsn.ca/joel-eriksson-ek-centre-1.293869

Watched the Button recap, what did he have such low point totals though?

4 goals and 2 assists in 34 games for someone who could be a top 2 centre seems odd.

Oliver Kylington on the same team had 2 goals + 3 assists in 18 games as a defenceman.

had to judge euro stats sometimes. probably because he was a 17 year old playing in a men's league. so he probably got zero power play time and a checking line role. the kids who actually score a lot in sweden's top league in their draft year are exceptions (see Sedins, E Lindholm)

GranteedEV · 06-26-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

http://www.tsn.ca/joel-eriksson-ek-centre-1.293869

Watched the Button recap, what did he have such low point totals though?

4 goals and 2 assists in 34 games for someone who could be a top 2 centre seems odd.

Oliver Kylington on the same team had 2 goals + 3 assists in 18 games as a defenceman.

The SHL is a very high level of play, and he might not have been getting much more than spot minutes. at the SuperElit level his numbers are a good bit higher than Kylington (42 pts in 31 games VS 12 pts in 16 games)

Flames Draft Watcher · 06-26-2015, 01:34 PM

alright I guess I've got as good a handle on the draft as I'm going to get. here's who I like!

I am assuming the following guys will go top 8-10 and we'll have no chance at them: McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Marner, Provorov, Strome and Werenski.

Guys I would trade up for: Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Connor
Guys I would take at 15: Barzal, Meier, Boeser, Svechnikov, Merkley, Konecny, Bittner, White or Eriksson-Ek

lots of options! I'd be pretty shocked if we took a dman. sounds like it drops off after the first three and that a forward will most likely be best player available in the 11-15 range

MrMastodonFarm · 06-26-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

I looked at my TV guide and didn't see anything (ditto when looking on their website at the tv listings). Are you talking radio or TV?

Oh dear, that's a ripple isn't it. When I checked last week it was on the Sportsnet website for 8am. Now gone...

sureLoss · 06-26-2015, 01:39 PM

I think it is likely nhl.com streams the 2nd day. They did it last year and the year before.

Otherwise NHL has it listed on NHL Network and TVA Sports

Torch · 06-26-2015, 01:46 PM

Nhl number one sport in Canada and I cant get coverage of 2nd day on cable

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-26-2015, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Guys I would trade up for: Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Connor

A big "meh" to Lawson Crouse. Not worth trading up for. A fine pick at 15, though, I spose.

Flames Draft Watcher · 06-26-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

A big "meh" to Lawson Crouse. Not worth trading up for. A fine pick at 15, though, I spose.

Not sure why you think that. He's got everything we need. Size, physicality, skill and skating. He's a power forward, one of the rarest and most valuable commodities in the NHL. He sounds very much like a Lucic type.

Why wouldn't anyone like this kid? So what if he only has 2nd line skills? His size and physical game would make more room for guys like Hudler, Johnny, etc. So important to have those big, unstoppable wingers for the playoffs. Crouse would be an amazing fit for us IMO. Imagine having Crouse on the 2nd line, Ferland on the 3rd and Bouma on the 4th. Defensemen would be scared to go get the puck. Drool. Line after line of big physical wingers that are hard to handle. That's something we need.

sureLoss · 06-26-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Torch

Nhl number one sport in Canada and I cant get coverage of 2nd day on cable

To be fair I don't remember TSN ever covering the 2nd day.

Caged Great · 06-26-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair I don't remember TSN ever covering the 2nd day.

It was only on the NHL network if I recall

Poe969 · 06-26-2015, 02:07 PM

doesn't mean it's right. Sportsnet signed this huge deal to be the go to guys when it comes to hockey coverage. Their quality is pretty bad, you'd think they'd make it up with quantity.

MrMastodonFarm · 06-26-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair I don't remember TSN ever covering the 2nd day.

No but at the time TSN had two channels. Sportsnet has like 75. It's mostly an annoyance because it was previously listed.

Hopefully NHL.com streams it.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-26-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not sure why you think that. He's got everything we need. Size, physicality, skill and skating. He's a power forward, one of the rarest and most valuable commodities in the NHL. He sounds very much like a Lucic type.

Why wouldn't anyone like this kid? So what if he only has 2nd line skills? His size and physical game would make more room for guys like Hudler, Johnny, etc. So important to have those big, unstoppable wingers for the playoffs. Crouse would be an amazing fit for us IMO. Imagine having Crouse on the 2nd line, Ferland on the 3rd and Bouma on the 4th. Defensemen would be scared to go get the puck. Drool. Line after line of big physical wingers that are hard to handle. That's something we need.

People with similar size and similar junior numbers only go on to success (by which I mean playing 200 NHL games) 19.5% of the time with respect to his 2014 season, and 29% of the time with respect to his 2015 season.

Of those comparable players who DID go on to play 200 games, they averaged between 35 and 37 points per 82 games played.

You never know, because he has the tools, but based on his track record he is just a bad bet in the top 10. However, there are good reasons to think his junior numbers are under-representative of his talent (most of which are related to how terrible the Frontenacs were), so a mid first round selection or later I think could be a decent gamble. But there will probably be other guys available who would be better ones at 15. Thankfully, some neanderthal GM is going to say "KIDS GOT SIZE" and take him before then, so it's likely a moot point.

Flames Draft Watcher · 06-26-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People with similar size and similar junior numbers only go on to success (by which I mean playing 200 NHL games) 19.5% of the time with respect to his 2014 season, and 29% of the time with respect to his 2015 season.

Of those comparable players who DID go on to play 200 games, they averaged between 35 and 37 points per 82 games played.

You never know, because he has the tools, but based on his track record he is just a bad bet in the top 10. However, there are good reasons to think his junior numbers are under-representative of his talent, so a mid first round selection or later I think could be a decent gamble. But there will probably be other guys available who would be better ones at 15. Thankfully, some neanderthal GM is going to say "KIDS GOT SIZE" and take him before then, so it's likely a moot point.

Hard to use historical numbers as predictors. He likely would've had WAY more points had Bennett been centering him all year instead of just the last few weeks.

Can't teach size. And assuming you were watching the playoffs you'd know size does matter. I'm not saying lets grab all the unskilled big guys. But big guys with skating, skill and physical play? I'm down to trade up for those types of players.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-26-2015, 02:17 PM

^ Well, Hugh Jessiman is available...

Why on Earth would you think it's hard to use historical numbers as predictors? That's literally the only thing you CAN reasonably use as a predictor.

Flames Draft Watcher · 06-26-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^ Well, Hugh Jessiman is available...

Why on Earth would you think it's hard to use historical numbers as predictors? That's literally the only thing you CAN reasonably use as a predictor.

You draft players based on having professional scouts watch them and project how good they'll be in the NHL in a few years. That is a much, much better predictor than your stats.

Crouse will be drafted based on scouting. Not on stat crunching of his numbers.