NHL Free Agent Frenzy July 1st.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by codynw

Dubnyk is a Vezina trophy finalist.

Just stop.

You missed the point completely, he is now. This time last year he was an AHLer. Just because a player is waived, doesn't mean they're useless. That's why longer term deals for younger players with potential make sense.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

You missed the point completely, he is now. This time last year he was an AHLer. Just because a player is waived, doesn't mean they're useless. That's why longer term deals for younger players with potential make sense.

Please stop flooding this thread with your non-sense. 10+ posters have shot it down. Take their advice and stop..

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

You missed the point completely, he is now. This time last year he was an AHLer. Just because a player is waived, doesn't mean they're useless. That's why longer term deals for younger players with potential make sense.

The two players are not comparable. Dubnyk getting a big contract when he was on waivers last year does not mean Schlemko will get a big contract because he was on waivers this year.

Dubnyk is getting a big contract because he was elite after his waiver situation. Schlemko was a barely competent bottom pairing defenceman. Huge difference.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by getbak

Treliving was already in Calgary when Dubnyk joined the Coyotes.

Oops. My mistake.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Without commenting on Schlemko or Russell at all, much less what Schlemko is worth on the market, you just can't compare an RFA salary with a UFA salary. The sad fact is that many RFAs and ELCs outplay UFAs and aer paid far less, just because that's the way it is.

Well, Russell's deal did include one UFA year. His AAV is still only $2.6 million.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Schlemko at 3x3 is beyond laughable. I agree he may be a little bit under-rated from a defensive standpoint, but there's no way he'll get anything over 1.5 x 2.

It's okay Cheerio, you don't have to keep defending your post. You'll get em next time. We don't need more posters who refuse to give into a clearly lost argument.

Well it's tough to win an argument when the only counterpoint you get is "HE WAS ON WAIVERS LOL!!!!11!"

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by codynw

The two players are not comparable. Dubnyk getting a big contract when he was on waivers last year does not mean Schlemko will get a big contract because he was on waivers this year.

Dubnyk is getting a big contract because he was elite after his waiver situation. Schlemko was a barely competent bottom pairing defenceman. Huge difference.

please explain this. I have no idea what you're talking about.

[handgroen]

mike green anyone?
29 year old, right shooting, calgarian, defense-men
not under sized at 6'1" 208lbs
won't be commanding a 7 million dollar salary any longer
but could rediscover his scoring touch in hartley's dmen in the offense structure.
4yrs @ 5.25AAV???

pretty balanced pairs on d

Gio LH - Green RH
Brodie LH - Wideman RH
Russel LH - Engelland RH

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Well it's tough to win an argument when the only counterpoint you get is "HE WAS ON WAIVERS LOL!!!!11!"

Pretty sure there are plenty of counter points, mainly that HES A BOTTOM PAIRING DEFENSEMAN (see I can be obnoxious too).

Your main argument is that someone else who was on waivers is getting a big contract so Schemko should get one too...

Seriously your posts are very immature and unbecoming. I can't believe you're still trying to fight this.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by handgroen

mike green anyone?
29 year old, right shooting, calgarian, defense-men
not under sized at 6'1" 208lbs
won't be commanding a 7 million dollar salary any longer
but could rediscover his scoring touch in hartley's dmen in the offense structure.
4yrs @ 5.25AAV???

pretty balanced pairs on d

Gio LH - Green RH
Brodie LH - Wideman RH
Russel LH - Engelland RH

Green doesn't want to play in Calgary.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by codynw

Green doesn't want to play in Calgary.

well i guess that settles it, good talk.

[ClubFlames]

Schlemko getting a contract worth more than Russell. It's just so ridiculous.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by handgroen

well i guess that settles it, good talk.

I have heard the same thing from someone that knows people in his family

[codynw]

Originally Posted by handgroen

well i guess that settles it, good talk.

I'm not just assuming or making stuff up. He actually just doesn't want to play in his hometown.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

You missed the point completely, he is now. This time last year he was an AHLer. Just because a player is waived, doesn't mean they're useless. That's why longer term deals for younger players with potential make sense.

I don't know salary stuffs, but based on my understanding, Engelland is overpaid at 3 mil on the 3rd pairing. Schlemko won't pry a spot away from the top 4 we have. Why would we give Schlemko an overpayment to sit on the 3rd line (which I believe Wotherspoon will take) or be our 7th?

If he wants money, I think he should go elsewhere. But if he's in the low 2 mil range, I think he's worth keeping for depth on a short contract. If he explodes and can steal a spot, then discussions can be made for more money.

I agree with others, Schlemko hasn't proven anything. He's shown flashes for sure, but proof? Too little evidence for proof, but we can lean on a possibility I guess. That being said, he hasn't had much of a stage to do so either.

[Poe969]

If Schlemko gets 3 x 3 from the Flames, I want at least 2 years at 1.5 per.

[Cheerio]

If Engelland can get 3x3, why is it so hilarious that a better player in Schlemko would get something similar?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, Russell's deal did include one UFA year. His AAV is still only $2.6 million.

Most players' last RFA contract includes some years that would otherwise be UFA. The point is that their bargaining power is really limited. Russell could have held out, gone to arbitration or gone to the KHL. And he hadn't had this season, which I consider his breakout, yet.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Most players' last RFA contract includes some years that would otherwise be UFA. The point is that their bargaining power is really limited. Russell could have held out, gone to arbitration or gone to the KHL. And he hadn't had this season, which I consider his breakout, yet.

You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing.

Schlemko hasn't had his breakout season yet either, but he didn't play nearly as well as Russell did last year either. It's not even in the ball park. That's all I was saying. Two players that were on waivers before the Flames landed them in some way. One played consistently in our top 4, the other was a 6/7 defenceman.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

If Engelland can get 3x3, why is it so hilarious that a better player in Schlemko would get something similar?

Because he is overpaid on purpose (was it to meet cap floor?) and serves multiple roles. You don't overpay Schlemko to meet Engelland's numbers when Engelland's numbers are overpayment. You pay him normal salary.

Engelland was acquired because he could fit the following roles:
- Work ethic
- RW in a pinch (Based on how worried Treliving may have been regarding our RW weakness last year)
- Defence
- Enforcer
- Meet cap floor?

Pure speculation from me on this point, perhaps he was a backup plan to Setoguchi and McGrattan as well. Engelland might not be a great RW, but can play RW in a pinch and for sure would have easily kept pace with these two guys above who were penciled in at the beginning of the year. It was worth overpaying Engelland to have flexibility in a player for meeting several team weaknesses (RW and D).

Schlemko meets maybe two of the above. Not worth overpaying at this point. And I don't see the support that Schlemko is better than Engelland. IIRC, Engelland played more than Schlemko. That supports the opposite.