Iginla leads Avs in scoring after 70 games

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Wow, if that's 100% true then Jiri is right, that's a dick move. I thought a lot of that was rumor and I wanted to give Iggy the benefit of the doubt as he was easily my favorite player on the team since his rookie year, but that does paint him in an unfavorable light. Too bad, it kind of taints my memory of him

Iggy refusing to accept the Boston trade wasn't that much of a dick move when you think about it. At the time the universal consensus around here was that the most important piece coming back was that 1st round draft pick due to the depth of the draft. The Pens lost in the ECF, while the Bruins lost in the SCF. We got a better draft pick. I'm perfectly happy he went to Pittsburgh instead. So in hindsight:

-Iggy got traded to the team he wanted.
-Flames got a higher draft pick

Both sides won. I don't see how anyone can look back and complain about anything really. Sure he vetoed the trade to Boston. But using your legal right to your NTC is not a dick move. Doesn't matter if it's last second. It's part of a negotiated contract. You honor it, period. Doesn't matter the circumstances. Any of us here would force a signee to honour their end of a signed contract, even if it appeared to be a dick move. Happens all the time in real life.

In the end, we moved up 1 spot to draft Klimchuk @ 28 with the Pens pick. The Bruins pick was Jason Dickinson @ 29. Now I have no idea how Dickinson is doing. But he's a C and we have an abundance of those. Those of you who follow Dickinson, would you be happier with that pick? Where would he be on our depth chart?

If someone pulled a ''dick move'' that year, it was Kipper. Supposedly he refused a trade out of Calgary and clearly stated he wouldn't report at all if traded. He was dead set on staying in town. He had no NTC at the time. That was a dick move. Yet no one ever mentions that.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?p=4652627

The mood in that thread is that Feaster screwed up the process. Iginla did what was in his rights to do and it's hard to blame him for that. Not sure why the opinion on Iginla has changed so much in the past year between then and now.

I also found a GREAT post, very well written.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is exactly right.
Iginla exercised the rights he had in his negotiated contract. Don't blame him.
That restricted severely the number of teams that Jay Feaster could deal with and had the expected impact on the return netted. Don't blame him.

No blame here. Just the nature of NTCs.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Iggy refusing to accept the Boston trade wasn't that much of a dick move when you think about it. At the time the universal consensus around here was that the most important piece coming back was that 1st round draft pick due to the depth of the draft. The Pens lost in the ECF, while the Bruins lost in the SCF. We got a better draft pick. I'm perfectly happy he went to Pittsburgh instead. So in hindsight:

-Iggy got traded to the team he wanted.
-Flames got a higher draft pick

Both sides won. I don't see how anyone can look back and complain about anything really. Sure he vetoed the trade to Boston. But using your legal right to your NTC is not a dick move. Doesn't matter if it's last second. It's part of a negotiated contract. You honor it, period. Doesn't matter the circumstances.

In the end, we moved up 1 spot to draft Klimchuk @ 28. The Pitts pick was Jason Dickinson @ 29. Now I have no idea how Dickinson is doing. But he's a C and we have an abundance of those.

If someone pulled a ''dick move'' that year, it was Kipper. Supposedly he refused a trade out of Calgary and clearly stated he wouldn't report at all if traded. He was dead set on staying in town. He had no NTC at the time. That was a dick move. Yet no one ever mentions that.

LoL.

Iginla played hardball between Calgary losing him for nothing and trading him where he wanted to go.

Kipprusoff decided to stay with his wife and premature baby.

One of these things is not like the other.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

LoL.

Iginla played hardball between Calgary losing him for nothing and trading him where he wanted to go.

Kipprusoff decided to stay with his wife and premature baby.

One of these things is not like the other.

A contract is a contract. Period. Luckily the Flames run a respectable organization and did so taking Kipper's situation into account. And god bless them for doing so. But they certainly weren't legally obliged to do so.

If people are going to say what Iggy pulled was a dick move, then what do you call what Kipper did? He threatened to not live up to his contractual obligations. Sure he had a reason, and a good one. Maybe calling what Kipper did a dick move is the wrong word. He did what was best for his family and I respect that. But IMO what he did from a legal perspective, is worse then what Iggy did. Iggy simply used the NTC that was available to him. Kipper acted like he still had one.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Kipper had a premature baby during that almost trade to Toronto? Never heard that.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

A contract is a contract. Period. Luckily the Flames run a respectable organization and did so taking Kipper's situation into account. And god bless them for doing so. But they certainly weren't legally obliged to do so.

If people are going to say what Iggy pulled was a dick move, then what do you call what Kipper did? He threatened to not live up to his contractual obligations. Sure he had a reason, and a good one. Maybe calling what Kipper did a dick move is the wrong word. He did what was best for his family and I respect that. But IMO what he did from a legal perspective, is worse then what Iggy did. Iggy simply used the NTC that was available to him. Kipper acted like he still had one.

If he's going to play professional hockey, he's contractually obligated to play hockey for the team that has him under contract.

He's not contractually obligated to play hockey.

A player can retire or refuse to report whenever they want.

The contract outlines the specifics of remuneration, it's not a contract for indentured servitude.

[ricosuave]

IIRC the only offer for Kipper was Toronto.

I would have stayed put too.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kipper had a premature baby during that almost trade to Toronto? Never heard that.

IIRC was still in the incubator at the time of the deadline.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So is Jiri or any poster that still doesn't worship the ground he stands on a "hater"? The only tired act IMO is the fans that cling to him like the Flames organization or fans still owe him something. He left the Flames and the city and it's time to realize he's not a Flame or a Calgarian anymore. Great Flame but the team has moved on to the next generation of players.

You missed the context. Even when Iginla was here all Tinordi ever did was hate on him. He had no interest in the topic and came in and posted a useless gif. There are people who are indifferent, and that's fine. But there are a handful of people here who hated the guy all through his career here which is both sad and odd. Some people just live to hate.

While on the topic, I wouldn't say you do that with this topic, but you do it with just about everything in general. So if you're unsure of what a hater is, you can look no further than the mirror.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

IIRC was still in the incubator at the time of the deadline.

I don't remember any of that, could you find something on it?

I was fine with it Kipper refusing to report to Toronto regardless but I don't recall the baby angle.

[polak]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Lets not get carried away here. This year was special because of low expectations. Lets wait on putting Gio's years above Iggy's for now.

How soon we forget, that during Iggy's prime years the Flames were picked to do much more at the beginning of the year. Iggy was a beast and many considered him to be one of the best Captains in the league.

If we're going to blame anyone, I would blame the run of coaches after Sutter.

Picked to do much more and crashed out in the first round. I don't look fondly on the Iggy years outside of '04 because not much good came out of them.

I think people were just so thirsty for any success after such a long era of garbage that we view the Iginla years as a great time even though most teams would consider it a failure.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by polak

Picked to do much more and crashed out in the first round. I don't look fondly on the Iggy years outside of '04 because not much good came out of them.

I think people were just so thirsty for any success after such a long era of garbage that we view the Iginla years as a great time even though most teams would consider it a failure.

You're looking at the organization from top to bottom and putting that on Iginla. Extremely short sighted. Doesn't take away from the fact he was one of - if the - best players in the league for a number of years during that time.

[polak]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You're looking at the organization from top to bottom and putting that on Iginla. Extremely short sighted. Doesn't take away from the fact he was one of - if the - best players in the league for a number of years during that time.

No I'm not. I'm just referring to how the team was under his captaincy. Not talking about his play.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Iggy refusing to accept the Boston trade wasn't that much of a dick move when you think about it. At the time the universal consensus around here was that the most important piece coming back was that 1st round draft pick due to the depth of the draft. The Pens lost in the ECF, while the Bruins lost in the SCF. We got a better draft pick. I'm perfectly happy he went to Pittsburgh instead. So in hindsight:

-Iggy got traded to the team he wanted.
-Flames got a higher draft pick

Both sides won. I don't see how anyone can look back and complain about anything really. Sure he vetoed the trade to Boston. But using your legal right to your NTC is not a dick move. Doesn't matter if it's last second. It's part of a negotiated contract. You honor it, period. Doesn't matter the circumstances. Any of us here would force a signee to honour their end of a signed contract, even if it appeared to be a dick move. Happens all the time in real life.

In the end, we moved up 1 spot to draft Klimchuk @ 28 with the Pens pick. The Bruins pick was Jason Dickinson @ 29. Now I have no idea how Dickinson is doing. But he's a C and we have an abundance of those. Those of you who follow Dickinson, would you be happier with that pick? Where would he be on our depth chart?

If someone pulled a ''dick move'' that year, it was Kipper. Supposedly he refused a trade out of Calgary and clearly stated he wouldn't report at all if traded. He was dead set on staying in town. He had no NTC at the time. That was a dick move. Yet no one ever mentions that.

I would say a "dick move" would be what Sundin pulled in Toronto or what Peca did all his career. What Kipper did, now, that was awesome since I'd hate to see him in a Leaf's uniform. If Kipper said that he was going to retire after that one season and if he was asked to be traded, why even bother going to another team and not even show up? He retired as a Flames, which is cool in itself.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I don't remember any of that, could you find something on it?

I was fine with it Kipper refusing to report to Toronto regardless but I don't recall the baby angle.

Kiprusoff’s baby boy Oskar’s condition — he was born premature and is still in an incubator–made his decision to stay in Calgary easy.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...the-flaming-c/

[nik-]

I didn't even know about the baby and I was still totally fine with Kipper's decision when it happened. The baby situation makes it a no brainer.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

The mood in that thread is that Feaster screwed up the process. Iginla did what was in his rights to do and it's hard to blame him for that. Not sure why the opinion on Iginla has changed so much in the past year between then and now.

I also found a GREAT post, very well written.

Check out this thread, then:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=126323

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by polak

No I'm not. I'm just referring to how the team was under his captaincy. Not talking about his play.

How the team was under his captaincy *is* a reflection of the organization from top to bottom with regard to the roster on the ice and how the team was constructed. That was far and away the biggest problem over the last decade.

You are being ignorant. Suggesting that the team largely failed through the last decade because of the way it was captained is asinine.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by nik-

I didn't even know about the baby and I was still totally fine with Kipper's decision when it happened. The baby situation makes it a no brainer.

Ditto, and thanks for the link Flash.

Don't remember any of that and was still okay with Miikka refusing to report if traded.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by nik-

I didn't even know about the baby and I was still totally fine with Kipper's decision when it happened. The baby situation makes it a no brainer.

Yea, I had no clue about the baby. I just selfishly hated the thought of seeing Kiprusoff spend the last couple months of his career as a backup for Toronto. The baby is a much better reason.