New poll: Harper - Conservatives headed for third place next election?

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is pretty telling:

Yeah... those are bad approval numbers. Not Jim Prentice bad... but bad.

[TorqueDog]

I don't like Harper, Trudeau, or Mulcair, frankly.

But I don't like Mulcair the least of the three, so ... holy crap, am I going to vote NDP twice?

[rubecube]

^^That's kind of where I'm at, at this point. Honestly, Trudeau's implosion might end up hurting the Conservatives more than if he'd been a decent candidate. If Liberal voters jump ship to the NDP, and there ends up being very little vote-splitting, look out.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I'm voting Mulcair in the next Federal Election. He's the most palatable of the three choices and the thought of Harper at the helm for another 4 years makes me nauseous.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I'm voting Mulcair in the next Federal Election. He's the most palatable of the three choices and the thought of Harper at the helm for another 4 years makes me nauseous.

Voting NDP provincially was cool because it finally got rid of the PCs, but doubling down on the NDP would be very dangerous.

[FlamesAddiction]

I feel pretty "meh" about the Liberals and Trudeau these days, but that is still light years ahead of hour I feel about the other 2 big parties.

The NDP party is weird for me. I tend to like their people and I wouldn't mind having an NDP MP, but I wouldn't want them governing the entire country.

The Conservatives..... I am just not a fan of Harper and can't stand the far right leaning element in that party. I have no problem with the moderates and centrists in the part, but my personal ideals make it hard to vote for the party in general because of that far right element.

The Liberals... I really do dislike their attitude at times. They really play the part of the sleazy baby kissing, hand shaking politicians. In theory, I like that they are centrist and should be versatile, but I think sometimes it makes it too easy for them to play the popularity game instead of what is best. It's a party that could be great with strong principled leader. I'm just not sure if Trudeau is the guy... not saying he isn't either, but I am not sold yet.

I have really kind of given up on who the leader of the Liberals is. The Conservatives are excellent at destroying them with attack ads. At this point, I am willing to give Trudeau a shot just because he seems like the Teflon man.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I'm not saying I'm a Trudeau fan, but can things possibly be any worse with him?

Absolutely they can. He was an MP for all of five years before taking leadership of the party. He's really an unknown quantity even today and it's a pretty scary proposition that he could be handed the keys to this country. Voting him in is taking a big leap of faith.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Interesting..

Why our brains aren't built for democracy

Podcast version

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fire

Voting NDP provincially was cool because it finally got rid of the PCs, but doubling down on the NDP would be very dangerous.

We're a nation of 40 million people. This country is small enough population wise and rich enough that properly implemented socialism could work.

This election comes down to leadership. I don't trust Harper. Justin Trudeau doesn't feel like a good leader. Mulcair, in the brief moments I've had a chance to hear him, seems honourable. On the basis of that alone, he's got the clubhouse lead.

[Zarley]

I find it unfortunate that so many people base their vote on impressions of the party leader rather than on policy. That's the nature of politics I guess.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by rubecube

^^That's kind of where I'm at, at this point. Honestly, Trudeau's implosion might end up hurting the Conservatives more than if he'd been a decent candidate. If Liberal voters jump ship to the NDP, and there ends up being very little vote-splitting, look out.

Its interesting that you've made this comment about Trudeau a couple of times now, yet the poll on leadership in the last page shows him and Mulcair at basically a dead heat for approval. The leader who is imploding is Harper really. You might not care for Trudeau, but I'm not sure the numbers back up the implosion talk.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Interesting..

Why our brains aren't built for democracy

Podcast version

Not a bad read.

Democracy really isn't the "natural" way to govern. Throughout the history of human civilization, very few people have ever had the luxury of living in one. Even today, most of the world is either unwilling or unable to form democracies. In a few generations, I would not be surprised to see it fizzle out in a lot of areas.

I certainly like living in one though. Being alive at this time is this country is like winning the life lottery. It's an expensive system though and most countries that have it, subsidize it by wealth gained from the labour of poor people in other countries that don't have democracy. Eventually, I think there will be an economic correction.

[evman150]

Trudeau (and the House Liberals) blew it on C51. Total reactionary blunder, and an election killer.

It's down to the CPC vs the NDP. I know where my money lies.

But hey, if it can happen in Alberta (and Quebec, for that matter), it can happen nationwide. Maybe. Here's hoping!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Zarley

I find it unfortunate that so many people base their vote on impressions of the party leader rather than on policy. That's the nature of politics I guess.

Learning about policy would mean reading and comparing numbers and stuff. Who has time for that?

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Democracy really isn't the "natural" way to govern. Throughout the history of human civilization, very few people have ever had the luxury of living in one.

Democracy rarely produces strong leadership. But it's quite effective at avoiding terrible leadership.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's an expensive system though and most countries that have it, subsidize it by wealth gained from the labour of poor people in other countries that don't have democracy. Eventually, I think there will be an economic correction.

What do you mean?

[Caged Great]

Whenever I voted in federal elections, it was always Liberal. Because Trudeau is not a good leader, I'll be voting for the NDP.

I hope the center left picks one of the two parties and doesn't split the vote allowing the Conservatives to win again.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We're a nation of 40 million people. This country is small enough population wise and rich enough that properly implemented socialism could work.

This election comes down to leadership. I don't trust Harper. Justin Trudeau doesn't feel like a good leader. Mulcair, in the brief moments I've had a chance to hear him, seems honourable. On the basis of that alone, he's got the clubhouse lead.

I am going to qualify this as a lifelong Liberal supporter, who is voting...Conservitive next election. The NDP cannot win the next election. I don't know your background, but my father reminds me of our last venture into "Socialism" in the early 80s as the NEP. I have rolled my eyes at him for the last 30 years but I am starting to see where he was coming from.

This is the guy who talked about Dutch Disease in relation to the oil and gas. Do you have faith Mulcair is going to leave us alone? I don't and I bet the people who call the shots don't. I am sure a NDP majority will lead to a massive pull back in investment that will make the provincial NDP win look like fluff.

This is a guy from out east who looks out for out east. Seriously the guy sees Alberta as a problem to be fixed, either by sharing the wealth or by shutting "the environmental nightmare" down.

I dislike Harper as much as most of you do. However, if you have any GD sense you will stay away from the NDP. This sunshine and lollipops utopia I used to believe in is over, I now get that there are plenty of people who want to hitch a ride without ever setting foot here, and this is from one of Klien's biggest critics.

Look I will be honest I don't remember my Dad losing his very well paying job in 1981. I do remember his stories he tells me with near tears in his eyes of the years that he did bit jobs so his kids would be fed every night. He isn't mad at Treadeau Sr. because he is a Conservative, he is actually quite Liberal. He is mad because of what he did to his family.

Seriously let's not brush that off, I have my whole life until now. I am not about to let history repeat itself so some guy can enact his socialist Utopia that will fail. Why the heck do we need to repeat history, that hand has been burned on the stove a generation ago.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I am going to qualify this as a lifelong Liberal supporter, who is voting...Conservitive next election. The NDP cannot win the next election. I don't know your background, but my father reminds me of our last venture into "Socialism" in the early 80s as the NEP. I have rolled my eyes at him for the last 30 years but I am starting to see where he was coming from.

This is the guy who talked about Dutch Disease in relation to the oil and gas. Do you have faith Mulcair is going to leave us alone? I don't and I bet the people who call the shots don't. I am sure a NDP majority will lead to a massive pull back in investment that will make the provincial NDP win look like fluff.

This is a guy from out east who looks out for out east. Seriously the guy sees Alberta as a problem to be fixed, either by sharing the wealth or by shutting "the environmental nightmare" down.

I dislike Harper as much as most of you do. However, if you have any GD sense you will stay away from the NDP. This sunshine and lollipops utopia I used to believe in is over, I now get that there are plenty of people who want to hitch a ride without ever setting foot here, and this is from one of Klien's biggest critics.

Look I will be honest I don't remember my Dad losing his very well paying job in 1981. I do remember his stories he tells me with near tears in his eyes of the years that he did bit jobs so his kids would be fed every night. He isn't mad at Treadeau Sr. because he is a Conservative, he is actually quite Liberal. He is mad because of what he did to his family.

Seriously let's not brush that off, I have my whole life until now. I am not about to let history repeat itself so some guy can enact his socialist Utopia that will fail. Why the heck do we need to repeat history, that hand has been burned on the stove a generation ago.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Zarley

I find it unfortunate that so many people base their vote on impressions of the party leader rather than on policy. That's the nature of politics I guess.

Well it just so happens that I do like the NDP policy as well!!

[Tinordi]

Wow I should really listen to that "lifelong Liberal supporter." I'd never heard of the NEP before but that 35 year old policy of a long-lost government and era sure seem relevant to today's politics.

Forget all that bubkus about the long-form census, the politicization of the Supreme Court, the continual flouting of parliamentary procedure, the incessant base politicizing of any possible issue, the bribery and cover-up of a sitting Senator, the wasted billions on ineffective policies like tough on crime and F-35, the backward environmental policies, the terrible strategies on pipeline approvals, the tax cuts to the people who don't need them (income splitting), the most ineffecient tax cuts possible (GST), the attempt to remove any accontability from Elections Canada in the Elections Reform Act, the cutting of science funding, the muzzling of government scientists, the appointment of a evangelical Christian chiropractor as the Minister overseeing Science spending, the bellicose support of Israel... and on and on.

As a "lifelong Liberal supporter" has just recently pointed out there was some "socialism" back then which "brought his dad to tears."

That's enough for my vote!

[Fozzie_DeBear]

The pissing match between Ottawa and Edmonton over resource development is as old as the province itself...ignore it at your peril.