Red Mile discussion #saferedmile

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

It is wrong though to chant "SHOW YOUR T*TS"?

Yes, that's exactly the point of the thread, I think.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe, but he's being deliberately intellectually dishonest while putting words in my mouth. I'm not really inclined to treat that posting style with a ton of patience.

Also, I'm pretty sure he was talking about hockey-related positions I've taken.

But you, IMO, being pedantic when it comes to the meaning of "sexual harrassment".


I would hope that you would not say this is true:

cat calling at work to see tits is sexual harrassment

cat calling in public to see tit is not sexual harrassment


The point is that some people (generally female) will feel that it is a predatory enviroment. Which I am sure you can agree, is contrary to the inclusive nature of sport.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

lol I think it's getting blown out of proportion in that article is all. Don't stand up on a car asking for attention from a bunch of drunk guys and you won't get pressured into flashing. And no, before you say that this is the equivalent of "she shouldn't dress like that" argument understand that it's nothing like that.

There is only going to be one outcome when you stand on a car trying to get a bunch of drunk peoples attention. It is a guarantee that they will expect you to do something stupid. If you're a girl, it's probably going to involve screaming for you to flash them and if you're a guy it'll probably be to do something physically dangerous.

Just so you know I only saw one creepy dude in a retro flames jersey yelling at girls to flash him on the 17th two nights ago. Not a single peep about Cans or "Monahans"(?) from anyone else.

Oh, you think the article is about the one girl who stands up ready to flash. Not the thousands of other girls just walking, enjoying the win, partying like everyone else that gets pressured and the occasional playful groping.

That's the confusion.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Oh, you think the article is about the one girl who stands up ready to flash. Not the thousands of other girls just walking, enjoying the win, partying like everyone else that gets pressured and the occasional playful groping.

That's the confusion.

Thankfully you don't have a finite number of keystrokes, cuz you just wasted those.....

[Armchair Quarterback]

"OMG, let's ask the drunk irrational hockey mob to be reasonable and act respectfully!"

NEVER going to happen. Not that the goal of #saferedmile isn't laudable. Harassing women is obviously just plain wrong. Who is going to argue against that?

But you are seriously joking if you expect thousands of people fired up from a huge win and several wobbly pops to act reasonably. It's called human nature.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Oh, you think the article is about the one girl who stands up ready to flash. Not the thousands of other girls just walking, enjoying the win, partying like everyone else that gets pressured and the occasional playful groping.

That's the confusion.

If that actually happens then that's messed up.

Like I said none of that happened so far. I can't even imagine it happening. Random groping and yelling at girls just enjoying the party seems like a phenomenal way to get the living #### kicked out of you by 20 dudes when the girl starts screaming.

Basically the article is telling everyone to not be rape-y? Noted. Very useful article. 10/10.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Acey

#tatasforTJ
#boobiesforbooms
#girliesforferly

Show us your Hudlights.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

If that actually happens then that's messed up.

Like I said none of that happened so far. I can't even imagine it happening. Random groping and yelling at girls just enjoying the party seems like a phenomenal way to get the living #### kicked out of you by 20 dudes when the girl starts screaming.

Basically the article is telling everyone to not be rape-y? Noted. Very useful article. 10/10.

I am going to guess that at 15 you didn't head down to the red mile in '04.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by polak

If that actually happens then that's messed up.

Like I said none of that happened so far. I can't even imagine it happening. Random groping and yelling at girls just enjoying the party seems like a phenomenal way to get the living #### kicked out of you by 20 dudes when the girl starts screaming.

Basically the article is telling everyone to not be rape-y? Noted. Very useful article. 10/10.

At least one girl already said it's happened...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But you, IMO, being pedantic when it comes to the meaning of "sexual harrassment".

Oh I certainly think that's the case. But the meaning of words is important, at least to me, particularly in emotionally charged environments when using words incorrectly to dramatize situations just ups the temperature and isn't producitve.

I would hope that you would not say this is true:

cat calling at work to see tits is sexual harrassment

cat calling in public to see tit is not sexual harrassment

Unfortunately I have to disappoint you.

I would say that is generally true, depending on the context of "in public", based on the definition of sexual harassment. Cat calling in public is a sleazy, sexist, dickwad sort of thing to do, but it isn't in most cases "sexual harassment" in the same sense that it isn't "false imprisonment" - that's just not what the term means.

The point is that some people (generally female) will feel that it is a predatory enviroment. Which I am sure you can agree, is contrary to the inclusive nature of sport.

I unequivocally and completely agree with this.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

If that actually happens then that's messed up.

Like I said none of that happened so far. I can't even imagine it happening. Random groping and yelling at girls just enjoying the party seems like a phenomenal way to get the living #### kicked out of you by 20 dudes when the girl starts screaming.

Basically the article is telling everyone to not be rape-y? Noted. Very useful article. 10/10.

You can't be this naive, can you?

[RedMileDJ]

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[Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by RedMileDJ

Did you just use the "I was drunk" defense?

No. What I'm saying is that the environment at red mile, if it is as has been described (I myself have never participated so I wouldn't know), might not be reformable.

I'm just pessimistic that people can change it. I don't have that much faith in a drunk rabble of hockey fans. Doesn't excuse the environment and the rapeyness of the red mile.

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am going to guess that at 15 you didn't head down to the red mile in '04.

14 and still in grade 9 so nope lol.

Tried to but mom and dad foiled my plan.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

At least one girl already said it's happened...

Well then that person is either rape-y or some random drunk yelled "show us your tits" and she decided to go fema-nazi.

Either way it's definitely not a "thing" on the Red Mile so far.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by polak

Like I said none of that happened so far. I can't even imagine it happening.

Apparently is has and is.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

This thread.. Ugh.

TO sum up: Don't be a Vinegar bag.

Now let's move on to hockey.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You can't be this naive, can you?

It appears he can. The implication that that there would be some deterrant because a girl would "scream for help" and then be rescued, is flawed on many levels.

a. Drunk guys don't think it through.
b. A groper in a crowd probably wouldn't be ID'd anyway. Grope and run.
c. Half the crowd thinks it's a free for all because of the flash.
d. The girl probably doesn't scream - she is too busy being mortified or doesn't want a scene, or is drunk herself.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Unfortunately I have to disappoint you.

I would say that is generally true, depending on the context of "in public", based on the definition of sexual harassment. Cat calling in public is a sleazy, sexist, dickwad sort of thing to do, but it isn't in most cases "sexual harassment" in the same sense that it isn't "false imprisonment" - that's just not what the term means.

To me I am willing to extend the generic meaning of the term to include the dickwards that take part in this type of thing if it helps eradicate this type of behaviour.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You can't be this naive, can you?

I'll put it this way. It's no more a problem (so far) than it is in any other large gathering of drunk people.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

14 and still in grade 9 so nope lol.

Tried to but mom and dad foiled my plan.



Well then that person is either rape-y or some random drunk yelled "show us your tits" and she decided to go fema-nazi.

Either way it's definitely not a "thing" on the Red Mile so far.

Using a Rush Limbaugh term probably doesn't lend credibility.