Senators Mark Stone has fractured wrist, possibly out for Game 2 or beyond...

[GioforPM]

Punching a guy in the face is supposed to hurt too, but there's no suspension. The fact these slashes happen a lot is relevant as to whether punishment over and above the standard penalty issued in game is warranted.

In other words, if you accept that there's a penalty for slashing, and the in game punishment is from 2 minutes up to a game misconduct, then the only way a slash warrants something more is if it's not something that occurs a lot. Now, you can mkae the argument that this slash was way outside the normal slash in a game, but I think there's lots of debate about that (as opposed to more in the open).

IMO the result is irrelevant except to the extent it shows there wass force behind the swing. If Subban had taken an overhand chop at Stone's head, but missed entirely, I'd think the punishment should be the same as if he connected.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Pretty sure they announced Stone's specific injury after the league had already stated Subban was not receiving supplemental discipline. Therefore, it's impossible for them to be releasing that information in an attempt to get Subban suspended.

Why say it at all?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why say it at all?

It's gotta be to cut short the faking/embellishing claims (which were just as stupid as the suggestions of retribution).

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't understand this standard.

Slashing a guy on the glove is meant to hurt him.

It may not cause 'an injury' but it's designed to hurt.

Subban slashed him with the intent of hurting him and making him less effective. Whether he was fantasizing about a microfracture is irrelevant, as is whether it happens routinely or not.

It was a two-handed slash away from the play that cause a significant injury. 5+ a game misconduct and in Flash Walken's NHL, a 2 game suspension.

Completely unnecessary and avoidable altercation that is going to substantially harm Ottawa's chances moving forward.

The league look like cowards when they don't take the repercussions of the injury as seriously as the suspension.

DOn't want to put your team at a disadvantage for the rest of the game? Don't go around slashing guys on the wrists.

Ironically Chris Pronger built his reputation by doing this exact sort of thing. Subban missed less than 32 minutes last night and pretty much took out Ottawa's hottest scorer to do it. Subban would be dumber if he didn't repeat this action in the next series he plays than if he didn't in terms of hockey risk verses reward. What gives Montreal a better chance to beat Tampa Bay....giving them a 5 minute powerplay, or making Tampa Bay play all but 30 minutes of the series with a severely limited or non existent Steven Stamkos?

[Igottago]

I don't blame the Sens for the gamesmanship but I think the 5 and game call was enough. If this gets the refs keeping a closer eye on Subban for the series its worth it for the Sens to play it up.

[Geeoff]

Stone is a method actor like Daniel Day Lewis.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

NHL needs to address this kind of stuff better. What are they going to do if a sen intentionally slashes Subban and breaks a bone in retaliation in the next game? Better not see more than a 5 min major as the NHL has now set the precedent that's it's ok to go around using your stick as a weapon to hurt someone as long as it's not on the head. Some will blame Cameron and the sens if it escalates but I think the blame rests solely on NHL should Subban find himself with a broken wrist or ankle.

[Knut]

The way Subban Choked up on the stick to make the slash should have resulted in a suspension anyways. You do not skate around holding your stick like that normally. It was an intent to injure regardless of the outcome injury wise. You have to get this bull-crap out of the game.

[fastpuck]

Whether this was acceptable in the past or not I hope the NHL does crack down on this for a suspension. The idea that once the playoffs starts that you can blatantly target the top players and intentionally hurt them to gain an advantage is barbaric, I think I speak for most fans and the joy of playoff hockey is watching the skill and intensity of the players. Not much fun if the top players are out of the game from some dumb act.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This thread makes me sad. Way too many people ok with violent stick infractions. Maybe it's the NHL's fault for setting the standard for what is acceptable and what is not, with playoffs being much more permissive than normal, but it's still not ok. This is the kind of stuff we want to get out of the game, and it's what the pro-fighting crowd has been warning us about for a long time. I worry that they may be right.

And for the record I am relatively neutral on fighting, and I don't like the argument that it's about "self-policing". That's what refs are for. In this case, they got it right, and it should be the standard going forward.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Hesla

The way Subban Choked up on the stick to make the slash should have resulted in a suspension anyways. You do not skate around holding your stick like that normally. It was an intent to injure regardless of the outcome injury wise. You have to get this bull-crap out of the game.

This - and furthermore he swung his stick way up like an axe. This is in no way a hockey play, he intended to hurt Stone, and succeeded.

That nonsense has no place in the game.

[questionmotives]

How much of this falls on the Senators medical staff? If his wrist was broken he should have never returned, let alone be involved in a post game scrum.

If immediately following the slash, the Senators announce Stone is going to the hospital for x-rays and will not return then does the league consider a heavier punishment for PK? Instead, Stone returns and plays almost a regular shift (15 minutes TOI) and Cameron makes a few stupid comments in his post game presser...

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Pretty sure they announced Stone's specific injury after the league had already stated Subban was not receiving supplemental discipline. Therefore, it's impossible for them to be releasing that information in an attempt to get Subban suspended.

http://www.tsn.ca/subban-verdict-inc...wrath-1.258612

"I gave information to the (series) supervisor last night what I had been told by the doctors," Murray added. "We knew before the game was over that he was trying to play hurt, that there were obviously after-effects. It was released that Subban would face no additional punishment. I thought the referees made the right call on the ice obviously. But I thought also after knowing the extent of the injury that something further should be considered."

Looks like the NHL had the injury info when they made their decision.

[Poe969]

run price and say it was a minor bump and that he's embellishing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

http://www.tsn.ca/subban-verdict-inc...wrath-1.258612

Looks like the NHL had the injury info when they made their decision.

Subban is an important player for the Habs so I don't blame the Senators for pursuing a suspension. This time of the year is really all about gamesmanship and gaining any edge you can. Even if Stone suffered a broken wrist I doubt that there would have been a suspension. I would have no problem with the NHL coming down harder on these types of slashes in the future but in the regular season first and not just spring it out in the playoffs like say the NFL did with the tuck rule which robbed a teams of a playoff victory.

[JohnnySkittles]

This is playoff hockey, Mark. Better toughen up.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

This is playoff hockey, Mark. Better toughen up.

Yup, stupid regular seasons bones.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Hesla

The way Subban Choked up on the stick to make the slash should have resulted in a suspension anyways. You do not skate around holding your stick like that normally. It was an intent to injure regardless of the outcome injury wise. You have to get this bull-crap out of the game.

PK is a lot of things, but he's not known as a lumberjack. I think he was looking for a stick on that play, not his wrist. Still a stupid thing to do.

Tons of bad blood between these two teams already. Lars Eller had his face removed the last time they played.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by habernac

PK is a lot of things, but he's not known as a lumberjack. I think he was looking for a stick on that play, not his wrist. Still a stupid thing to do.

Tons of bad blood between these two teams already. Lars Eller had his face removed the last time they played.

[TapeToTape]

Slashes to the wrist are probably the move with the most damage / level of discipline right now. I would rather see the star players perform.

LA was pretty nasty with slashes to the wrists of Hudler & Gaudreau. Add in a few nasty hits on Monahan and we can see the results of this kind of crap. The playoffs would be much better with Harsh penalties for attacks with obvious intent to injure.