[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[sureLoss]

Friedman on 960:

Glencross, and his agent and Treliving have kept this mostly quiet. But it has boiled over.
Lots of rumors last week about asking for a list and trade demands.
Only had 1 team on his list and that was Anaheim, but the list was expanded recently.
Washington and Chicago (cap issues make it tough) could be interested. Previously reported interest by Pens, Jets, Bruins and Tampa.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Mattman

I could see him wanting to go to the East though.
(I didn't go full green text because this is an idea but a ridiculous one)


Glencross (2015 UFA)
Wideman 50% retained (2017 UFA)
Baertschi
Rienhart

Boychuck (2015 UFA)
Pulock
Grabner (2016 UFA)

Probably seems one sided towards the Flames but let's look at the facts boys.

New York has just over 6 mil in cap space, and they have a promising lot of RFA's that are looking for contracts this summer. So upgrading on Grabner and Boychuck while getting lower contracts helps them.

Grabner is coming off an injury and is being shifted between the NYI 2nd and 3rd line. Not so hot with only 8 points so far. If Glencross is playing our 3rd anyways, so Grabner's a replacement. Or we could even flip him too.

Boychuck isn't doing bad on the Ilanders but Wideman is a better RH upgrade and retaining even 40% of his contract is less than Boychucks.

Pulock would be the main part of the deal as he's a 21 year old RH defenseman. Who wouldn't want him?

Baertschi and Reinhart are tossed in as too "tip the scales"

(It's an idea!!!)

I think with how NYI is playing this year they would be happy to lose Boychuk if it came to that if it meant a solid playoff run. I can't see them trading Boychuk at this point, he's been a key cog for them this year.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960:

Glencross, and his agent and Treliving have kept this mostly quiet. But it has boiled over.
Lots of rumors last week about asking for a list and trade demands.
Only had 1 team on his list that was Anaheim, but that expanded recently.
Washington and Chicago (cap issues make it tough) could be interested. Previously reported interest by Pens, Jets, Bruins and Tampa.

Do the Caps have another Forsberg type prospect ??

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Boychuck isn't doing bad on the Ilanders but Wideman is a better RH upgrade and retaining even 40% of his contract is less than Boychucks.

Boychuk is an upgrade over Wideman...

Baertschi and Reinhart are tossed in as too "tip the scales"

Sven Baertschi is not a "throw-in" in any trade, and he'd be just as buried there as he is here. You're better off giving them a D prospect like Culkin.

[devo22]

no way the Isles trade Boychuk. Also I don't really want Grabner right now ... don't get me wrong, I'd love to finally have an Austrian on the Flames and with his speed he might even be a good fit, but Grabner has been pretty injury-riddled lately. Has been sidelined frequently this season, I think he's had three lengthy IR spells so far.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960:

Glencross, and his agent and Treliving have kept this mostly quiet. But it has boiled over.
Lots of rumors last week about asking for a list and trade demands.
Only had 1 team on his list and that was Anaheim, but the list was expanded recently.
Washington and Chicago (cap issues make it tough) could be interested. Previously reported interest by Pens, Jets, Bruins and Tampa.

Surprised with the interest from Tampa. Didn't Yzerman say not too long ago that he was not interested in dealing for UFAs? Sounded like he was 'staying the course' much like Treliving has been saying all season, only making trades if it made sense for the long term.

Hopefully Yzerman wants to push this year. Tampa has a load of great prospects!

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Surprised with the interest from Tampa. Didn't Yzerman say not too long ago that he was not interested in dealing for UFAs? Sounded like he was 'staying the course' much like Treliving has been saying all season, only making trades if it made sense for the long term.

Hopefully Yzerman wants to push this year. Tampa has a load of great prospects!

Most likely double talk from Yzerman to get his peers to lower prices

[dammage79]

Caps prospects that'd be of interest for me personally:

Riley Barber
Stanislav Galiev
Madison Bowey

Bowey and Vrana would be untouchable IMO. But you never know.

Galiev is 37 points in 43 games. Good player to target as he is a RW.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by AC

AKA Glenny probably said something about how he wouldn't mind moving to a Cup contender if the possibility was out there.

Or that if the Flames are asking him for a list teams he would go to, then make a move rather than pulling a Cammalleri.

[Heavy Jack]

On a serious note, do you guys think something could be built around a Glencross for Sharp deal? I think Chicago would have to add with the cap flexibility we would be affording them but maybe we would have to throw extra in to make it work? He's got a hefty price tag and a few years left but he could be a solid addition to the top 6 and is a right handed shot.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McCarron
Scherbak
Tinordi
Beaulieu

Perhaps all 4 Montreal are unwilling to part with.

I wonder if adding someone like Granlund as part of a larger deal sweetens the pot enough for some of these prospects.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960:

Glencross, and his agent and Treliving have kept this mostly quiet. But it has boiled over.
Lots of rumors last week about asking for a list and trade demands.
Only had 1 team on his list and that was Anaheim, but the list was expanded recently.
Washington and Chicago (cap issues make it tough) could be interested. Previously reported interest by Pens, Jets, Bruins and Tampa.

Any ugly deals on a team like Chicago we could take on?

I miss Capgeek.. someone give me an alternative!

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Boychuk is an upgrade over Wideman...

But sending them a retained Wideman minimizes the possibility of loosing Boychuck to the free agency for nothing and you get an equal defenseman for at least the next few years.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Did the team inquire about Glencross? Yes - 50% No - 50%
If the team did inquire about Glencross, is it on his list? Yes - 20% (6/30) No - 80%

If the team didn't inquire, he doesn't get dealt.
If the team did inquire, but it's not on his list, he doesn't get dealt.
If the team did inquire, and it's on his list, what is that probability? 50% x 20% = 10%.

Again, that's just a very simple view, and doesn't account for the Flames contacting every team on his list or the fluidity of the situation.

Spoiler!

Dude your math is so poor here that it would make the advanced stats crowd blush.

The correct way to look at it is this:

Assuming 15 teams out of 29 are interested, and Glencross is willing to go to any of the 6 teams on his list. If there is a match between Glencross' list and Treliving list then we have a trade. So essentially we can look at this problem as a pot with 29 balls, 15 of which are yes and 14 are no. Glencross picks 6 balls randomly. The only way he doesn't get traded is if all 6 balls read "no". Any other combination means he gets traded.

So the probability of all 6 balls reading no and him not getting traded is therefore calculated as such

(15/29)*(14/28)*(13/27)*(12/26)*(11/25)*(10/24) = 1%

Therefore the probability of him getting traded is equal to 99%.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any ugly deals on a team like Chicago we could take on?

I miss Capgeek.. someone give me an alternative!

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/CHI?year=2015

Bickell comes to mind.

Sharp also has been mentioned as someone they need to dump soon. (whether those 2 are moved before the deadline is debatable though)

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any ugly deals on a team like Chicago we could take on?

I miss Capgeek.. someone give me an alternative!

What's wrong with http://nhlnumbers.com/?

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any ugly deals on a team like Chicago we could take on?

I miss Capgeek.. someone give me an alternative!

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/index.php

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams

Pretty out of date now but:
http://web.archive.org/web/201501022.../capgeek.com/#

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I wonder if adding someone like Granlund as part of a larger deal sweetens the pot enough for some of these prospects.

Granlund is still a prospect. Why trade for those guys?

[dammage79]

I don't think Wideman is going to be traded.


Darren Haynes via twitter yesterday.

Imagine being on the PK the entire game and only giving up one goal. That's essentially what Dennis Wideman has done.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

On a serious note, do you guys think something could be built around a Glencross for Sharp deal? I think Chicago would have to add with the cap flexibility we would be affording them but maybe we would have to throw extra in to make it work? He's got a hefty price tag and a few years left but he could be a solid addition to the top 6 and is a right handed shot.

Doubtful. Sharp is a lot better than Glencross and to retain him next year your likely paying him something that isn't that far off what Sharp makes. If Chicago moves Sharp they will have a lot better offers available. I'm sure Chicago is confident as any team out there they can win the Cup this year as well so if they do deal Sharp I imagine they rather do it in the off season anyways.