Friedman's 30 Thoughts - Nov 6

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yes.

I simply don't follow. That word really doesn't fit our discussion at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is Sven sucking?

He's had two games with low minutes, which is fine we've seen Hartley bring guys along slowly and give them more as they earn it, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's sucked in those two games.

He had one game with low minutes. He had one game with about the same number of shifts as a handful of other guys (including Jooris, who made the most of his time).

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

One thing I hope Hartley and Treliving do is once bodies start getting healthy, let Sven sit in the press box for a game before deciding who to send down. Let him study this team in real-time so he can try to figure out what he needs to do to fit in. Worked wonders for Wideman and Gaudreau, maybe Hartley can go 3 for 3

You mean 4 for 4 , as Jooris went this route too.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He had one game with low minutes. He had one game with about the same number of shifts as a handful of other guys (including Jooris, who made the most of his time).

Okay, but I don't think he's sucked in those games. Jooris playing great with limited minutes doesn't mean another guy with the same minutes "sucked".

We're getting a little over the top here.

[Harry Lime]

Both the management team, to some extent, and definitely the coaching staff, are paid very well to identify and exploit what motivates each individual player. Not everyone reacts to the same treatment in the same way. In the past there have been coaches that feel that one trick works for everybody, and if they don't get a robotic reaction, they shut down and blame the player. I don't really see Hartley and his staff taking this kind of hardline route. They are no doubt aware that Sven needs to be treated in a different way than Jooris to see results, and I don't think that they would potentially lose an asset through stubbornness or lack of desire to vary their coaching tactics.

Give it some time. Things will be tried to boost Sven's performance before there is any need to worry too much.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

You mean 4 for 4 , as Jooris went this route too.

On the other hand, Diaz.

Gratts doesn't count. He's not sitting to study the game.

[waner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So, apparently there's nothing wrong with that quote, and Treliving thinks there's nothing wrong with that quote, yet here you guys are, talking about Sven like he's some sort of delinquent.

There is nothing there.

Which posts/posters have treated him like a deliquent?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by waner

Which posts/posters have treated him like a deliquent?

Those who have questioned his character with no justification to back them up, or those who are looking too far into quotes provided by the media with no context.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Those who have questioned his character with no justification to back them up, or those who are looking too far into quotes provided by the media with no context.

That simply hasn't happened here. You mean posts from days/weeks/months ago?

[waner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Those who have questioned his character with no justification to back them up, or those who are looking too far into quotes provided by the media with no context.

So you have no actual posts that did this?

Asking if Sven has motivational issues or not liking his responses to questions is a long ways from questioning his character.

And questioning someones character is a long way from treating them like a deliquent.

[MissTeeks]

So, are we allowed to discuss some of Friedman's other 29 thoughts in this thread? Cause I thought the stuff at the beginning was kind of interesting.

[GioforPM]

Even if it was true, questioning character or reading too much into quotes =/= treating him like a delinquent.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

One thing I hope Hartley and Treliving do is once bodies start getting healthy, let Sven sit in the press box for a game before deciding who to send down. Let him study this team in real-time so he can try to figure out what he needs to do to fit in. Worked wonders for Wideman and Gaudreau, maybe Hartley can go 3 for 3

That's possible but if there's one thing we have learned about Baertschi is that he doesn't seem to take well to being sent to the AHL or sitting in the press box. While I think no player should be happy with either scenario it really seems to affect him negatively and mess with his confidence.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, but I don't think he's sucked in those games. Jooris playing great with limited minutes doesn't mean another guy with the same minutes "sucked".

We're getting a little over the top here.

So you think Sven has played well?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

So, are we allowed to discuss some of Friedman's other 29 thoughts in this thread? Cause I thought the stuff at the beginning was kind of interesting.

Yes. However you must relate them in some way to Sven.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

That simply hasn't happened here. You mean posts from days/weeks/months ago?

???

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm at the point where I don't really care if he progresses or not. There are too many good things going on in this organization right now than to be focussing on a kid that clearly has some issues between the ears. He can get his act together and become an NHL player or he can play in Europe. Either way the organization will forge ahead unchanged.

Highest thanked post in this thread? (also happens to be the worst post in this thread)

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

???



Highest thanked post in this thread?

It's already been discussed what that phrase meant. I won't bother addressing it again.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

So, are we allowed to discuss some of Friedman's other 29 thoughts in this thread? Cause I thought the stuff at the beginning was kind of interesting.

Start a discussion and see where it goes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is Sven sucking?

He's had two games with low minutes, which is fine we've seen Hartley bring guys along slowly and give them more as they earn it, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's sucked in those two games.

Originally Posted by Fire

So you think Sven has played well?

Yeah, I don't really know about this. On the one hand, I can't really say that he looked bad in either of his two games, but that is also because I barely remember seeing him play AT ALL, outside of that okay shift he had early in the first game. Like I said, it is a bit of a concern that he was so unnoticeable. I hope he gets a handful of games, and I really hope that he starts to assert himself. Otherwise, I'm not convinced he is likely to spend much more time in Calgary this season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Highest thanked post in this thread?

The kid clearly has talent as you don't score at the well over PPG pace he did in junior unless you are pretty gifted. So what is it? Is he just not as good a hockey player as we thought or does he have to mature and better handle the ups and downs of being a professional hockey player? IMO it's a little of both. He's not the first player that lit up the junior ranks and couldn't adapt to the professional game on and off the ice.