CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[mrkajz44]

Since there has only been two twilights, its hard to say if hammer was brought down at a certain time to ensure the MOTs are online and ready. But it still seems like it would be hard to coordinate and have two people available immediately after a card flip for every lynching. We could maybe start to look for trends after the third twilight? Two is just too small of a sample size.

[starseed]

Mostly skimmed. Don't have time to respond until the evening, but I will be looking into what delgar and gpmatt have been saying about oling and how he misrepresents what his opponent says. Pretty clear pattern.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Actually this explains your reasoning for hammer that first night to me. If you wanted to make sure that you and Starseed could both post in the MOT using the hammer at the right time makes the most sense.

What about the 2nd night? I already explained my first night hammer.

Your entire theory relies on me working with Starseed, which I know is not true so it's just nonsense.

[Drury18]

I was thinking through this late last night:

Since GP_Matt's death, there appears to be no further invites from the Eternals. The question has been tossed out a few times about who has that invite and it seems no one does. GP_Matt was the original member of the Eternals and they've gone quiet since he died.

Starseed was the original Guardians member and they are actively sending out invites (now at 5) and recruiting. And the recruiting appears to be getting more aggressive and threatening in nature. It also seems more targeted as it looks like the reason they want me is so that I'll layoff GGG and will take his spot once he's killed.

I'm starting to wonder if the same theory of cutting the head off the snake works for the Guardians the same way it works for the Eternals.

[Timbo]

So are we or are we not going to keep the Eternals and Guardians at equal numbers?
Either by lynch or by joining.

Staying with my convictions, I for one am not joining.

[dissentowner]

I am just going through and trying to piece stuff together, will post more later this evening. In the meantime I would like to hear others thoughts on my theory the MOT are not on our side and are just there to create more chaos on the game.

[Wood]

I do find it odd that starseed and his MOT partner would have so many powers. Mason alone is a great ability I think. I worked out well for me and UCB in game one. It was nice being able to throw all my (bad) ideas at him and be able to talk about gameplan with someone you could trust

Starseeds saying he has the mason ability, plus the each have another ability on top if that, then he's given the MOT chat as a platform to get all his thoughts out there risk free. Then he joins the gaurdians and gets another power on top of that? Seems unfair almost, unless he has more of a reason than an average townie to stay alive

[Aeneas]

Intense. I am not sure what to think. My gut says to kill off a guardian, keep those numbers low. I wanted GGG to go for his aggressive early tactics, but then changed to Starseed with the possible lynchproof ability of GGG.

But maybe that is a lie.

Then Starseed comes out with his lengthy statement. It was long. the cynic editor in me says, "Couldn't you have gone with "I am a sneaky liar, but vote for someone else""

However, Oling roachindjheitdf has become increasingly defensive and hyper aggressive, so maybe you and a couple others have hit a nerve.

Sigh, what to do. I am on board for voting for Starseed still, GGG or Oling.

Can't get the thought out of my head though that there may be just that one mafia. I think that would be brilliant on Mazrims part. Using cults and such. Someone mentioned Capn Crunch. Well i could see him and/or Octothorp as outside observers concocting this evil twist.

I can't imagine, if it were true, being the one mafia guy. That would be nervewracking. If it were me, I would probably try to stay pretty quiet. So maybe we go back to time tested day theory of lynching the quietest.

Unless that's me. Then dont do it.

[Aeneas]

Just read Woods post, that reminded me:

Why, Starseed, in the twilight thing (I keep calling it thing because I have not yet seen it or been there) did you list GGG as a suspect more than once (according to other players) but then you have also listed him as a suspected townie?

Your multiple personalities confusing you? MOT, innocent starseed, and mafioso?

[Aeneas]

Lastly, as I hate the really long posts and tend to skim alot. (to my disadvantage I am sure)

Which one of you messed with me last night?

Someone played some power on me, however it wasn't bad at all. In fact the longer I have thought about it, the more likely I believe it is that a townsperon must have done it. Not mafia. It was something fairly benign and helpful to me, informatin wise. I did not ask for it, was not able to direct it per se, but I got the info.

So, if the author of this action would post telling me it was them, and could with a few short words or even one word tell me what they did...then I would have, in my own mind, a confirmed townie.

Just hoping someone can prove to me they did it. Then I might trust you.

Not me. But interested in hearing more!

With all the redirection, it might give the person that sent it information about redirection.

[Aeneas]

To be clear I have my own power, and I used it last night. As far as I know it worked. Nothing powerful, I am poor little villager after all. Whatever that is.

If everyone goes all crazy with reveals, I am willing to let everyone know what I have learned. It is not much, I think I must have showed up late when Mazrim was handing out powers.

This was something extra.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Not me. But interested in hearing more!

With all the redirection, it might give the person that sent it information about redirection.

you mean there was a redirection or a redirection of a redirection? (sorry, don't hit me)

Even so, you were the object of a redirection (or so GGG claims) and after the events of Day 2, that makes no sense.

[Timbo]

So MOT1 is starseed by his own admission. Is he also MOT#2?
MOT#1/starseed stated we have played liked scat.
starseed had made the RD and GP_Matt accusation that equaled two dead townies.
Jumped quickly on bizaro
MOT1/starseed Pointed out as suspect Delgar and Devo22 both who are townies.
starseed also claims to have made the Factions, none of which has done the townies any good.

He has essentially targeted 3/4 of the people in this game. If anyone has played like scat it is him.
If I am wrong here anyone can feel free to point out my errors.
Am I going to trust his judgement this time? No way. He is driving the town buss right off a cliff IMO.
Whatever he flips at this point is inconsequential. I feel that worst case scenario on his lynch is townie damage control, we have to get our madman/controlling /deceiver out of our town.

Vote:starseed

[Wood]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

you mean there was a redirection or a redirection of a redirection? (sorry, don't hit me)

Even so, you were the object of a redirection (or so GGG claims) and after the events of Day 2, that makes no sense.

Nobody reveal unnecessarily!

Originally Posted by GirlySports

you mean there was a redirection or a redirection of a redirection? (sorry, don't hit me)

Even so, you were the object of a redirection (or so GGG claims) and after the events of Day 2, that makes no sense.

I don't think there was a double redirection?
I think a redirection would be a mafia-like goal? Unless you had a force field like power that you could place on someone that bounces stuff off? But then are you given a choice on where to direct the power that was used?
If it is a town that has this, I might suggest that they don't use it, because it's confusing? I just can't think that abstract.

Like I said... both the people I voted for turned up on my team. So I think I need to change my way of thinking...

Who would I least expect as mafia? The person that came to my defense when I was voted for. TBH I saw what Delgar was getting at. and I have to admit that I briefly thought the same thing. I wasn't sure if that would be something that a game master would do. Say it was flavor, but really have it mean something. And then when I looked at the whole back and forth thing, I didn't appreciate the way Oling attacked him. And I'm not liking the way that he's attacking starseed. It's a not very chivalrous way to play. I think you can get info from people nicer. He get's a tunnel vision that I think gets misdirected... or very directed if he were mafia.

In the past I would vote for lack of input (rathji/squiggs) but that proved wrong with RD, so I don't trust my judgement.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Aeneas

To be clear I have my own power, and I used it last night. As far as I know it worked. Nothing powerful, I am poor little villager after all. Whatever that is.

If everyone goes all crazy with reveals, I am willing to let everyone know what I have learned

I meant to quote this before

So ill say it again

Nobody reveal unnecessarily!

As for starseed's reveal... I think for today I would give him the benefit of the doubt (as I did with ECF) because if he is who he says he is, that's alot of power that could be useful to us. Why would we try to get rid of that?
Of course, if anyone has a way to disprove his powers, I could rethink this.

Originally Posted by Wood

I meant to quote this before

So ill say it again

Nobody reveal unnecessarily!

I think we have had lots of reveals (I was tempted to do it) but it might be too distracting...
But anything that would help us, I would appreciate...

GAH!!!! it's all too much!!!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Have we totally forgotten about GGG? Why did he tell people to not accept letters and then accept on himself. I was trying to formulate(ha!) a theory for his ridiculous claim that he tracked Puxlut AND Puxlut's actions were redirected to ECF. I cannot see any scenario where this could possibly happen unless it was a mafia-hatched plan. Why would a townie, or even mafia, think that there would be any action on Puxlut on Night 2 in order to redirected it. And Drury and I have gone over the roles, there is none for redirecting the actions of the initiator. GGG and a mafia-mate hatched this plan. So my vote still stays where it is.

Can you please re-look at the roles as it appears that you are basing some of your suspicion on a misunderstanding of the potential roles out there. I posted on Day 2 that there was a mafia game role on the wiki that targeted the actor (ie me). There is also the nexus role, which I linked to today, which cause a random redirection when the nexus is targeted. You incorrectly dismissed this as not possible.

Originally Posted by GGG

There appears to be 3 different roles it could be

A bus driver switches two targets (put on the target)
A redirector which you target the person doing the action (put on ECF)
A deflector who targets the person recieving the action.(put on target)

Second and I will post this for the third time this day as one source of the mis-trust against me is I led the charge on rejecting offers (true) and then joined the cult myself (also true). I had changed my mind on joining groups mid-day 2 after the first 2 rejections but before we believed the powers didn't work. I posted the following and no one objected then.

Originally Posted by GGG

My thought is two townies are the ones distributing the powers. Therefore it's on the town not to screw up. They also might overlap with the MOTs. I am still suspicious that the leaders have a different win condition but I for one will accept the next offer from either group.

I think that speculation on the role of these groups is currently hurting the town and we should be scum hunting on behaviors rather than speculation on what the groups might be.