YLYL Thread and other things...

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

I think some of the avatars may cross the line but the problem is thats its similar to obscenity where you know it when you see it but cant easily define it. Slippery slope?

The sexualized avatars are a much bigger problem than YLYL ever was, because there's no reasonable way to avoid them. That's unfortunate both because it could make some people uncomfortable and because it could put people in awkward situations when other people see them browsing what they can only assume is some sort of adult message board.

I never would have gone into a hot women (or hot men) pictures thread at work, but I've had people walk by my desk while borderline NSFW avatars are on the screen, and I can't help but wonder what they think of me. I don't have a problem with Eastern Girl's (isn't that Regehr?), but peanut's bare ass shot and probably shawnski's and papi's are too much.

On topic, though, I think closing the thread was the right decision. I never had a problem with the YLYL thread, but whatever enjoyment anyone got out of it is easily outweighed by the fact that it made this place less welcoming to half of the population. Good job, mods.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Explain how it isn't offensive then.

The reference isn't in regards to fully grown, adult women who play hockey. It's always been a poke at them being pony-loving, tutu wearing, crying toddlers.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

The reference isn't in regards to fully grown, adult women who play hockey. It's always been a poke at them being pony-loving, tutu wearing, crying toddlers.

Okay, but why is the term sisters invoked as opposed to brothers or boys if not to deliberately feminize them?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, but why is the term sisters invoked as opposed to brothers or boys if not to deliberately feminize them?

Because we know they are brothers and that would be stating the obvious? Is there any doubt the term isn't used to deliberately feminize them?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Just not sure how my post could be considered an example of entitlement when I expressly agreed that the owners can do as they like. Otherwise, I don't see much else to discuss, as I think most of the ideas have been exhausted.

Sorry, I wasn't intending to challenge your post specifically, but to reinforce the point that there is no right here to be entitled to certain topics/behaviours/attitudes. I was essentially agreeing with you, but didn't make that entirely clear.

Originally Posted by woob

I don't know, if you ask me, after reading the discussion on the poll thread and now this thread, your example above seems to be exactly what people want to see end, with regards to pervasive sexism. As was said multiple times throughout the poll thread, the YLYL definitely had some bad commentary in it and may have contributed to sexism on the forum, but people seemed to be more upset with the commentary throughout the forums on a regular basis.

It would seem to me, that the new modus operandi going forward will be no objectifying/derogatory posts towards either sex. We'll see how that evolves as I expect it to take considerable time.

I obviously cannot speak for the mods, but I've been around similar forums and similar debates long enough to know that in most cases, black and white morality is neither desirable nor enforceable. The line, whether we like it or not, does move slightly and usually depends on context. Some allowance for human nature is to be expected.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because we know they are brothers and that would be stating the obvious?

Okay, so call them the pony twins or whatever. Why is it necessary to use a feminine label to insult them?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, so call them the pony twins or whatever. Why is it necessary to use a feminine label to insult them?

Because nothing insults a heterosexual man more than questioning his manhood?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because we know they are brothers and that would be stating the obvious? Is there any doubt the term isn't used to deliberately feminize them?

Well that's my point. If you're feminizing someone as insult, it portrays that you hold femininity and women in less regard than men and masculinity.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because nothing insults a heterosexual man more than questioning his manhood?

And why do you think that is?

[Eastern Girl]

Originally Posted by Iceman57

Ok well now if you wanted to create a thread to share your avatar with fellow CPers i wouldnt have a problem with that as i could choose whether or not i wanted to participate in it but here or in any other thread you are forcing me to see it.

The mods must absolutely continue this crusade of inequality that they started by deleting the YLYL thread. They now need to force others with inappropriate avatars to change them immediately. Why wait? My suggestion to you instead of being a hypocrite by now applying our argument against us (which obviously didnt work) would be to remove it voluntarily.

That first sentence was sarcasm. Just giving back the same tired stuff I heard repeatedly before. Taste of your own medicine or some such thing.

Crusade of inequality? First of all, it would be a crusade for equality. We are trying to be inclusive, not exclusive. Doesn't matter though, because it's not a crusade. Please don't paint our desire to want less sexism on the board as though we are all hoping the board turns into a great place to talk about paint drying.

I don't think I am being a hypocrite. I expressed my opinions about a thread on the board, not anyone's avatar. I will take down my topless oily Regehr if all the guys with boob/ass avatars take theirs down. I don't personally feel that's necessary that we all take our avatars down, however if the mods decide that's fair and in line with community expectations, I will do so.

[Nehkara]

I do have concerns about this decision.

I had no particular attachment to the thread in question but I do think there are slippery slope and censorship issues here.

I will be very curious to see what direction things go from here on out.

I do have a particular attachment to Calgarypuck... I've been a member for over 11 years. I hope this decision enhances the community rather than diminishing it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

understand the decision, but disappointed nonetheless.

will mods be handing out warnings when people use the common phrase "the sedin sisters" going forward, that is another negative and harming language towards women we see on CP. if we are all holding this forum to higher standards, should this also be removed?

No doubt. I'm assuming we will see the end of insulting the women of Edmonton as well. The way they are mocked is more offensive than 90% of went on in YLYL or the rest of the site in general. Also this is presumably the end of avatars of scantily clad women... or men.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, so call them the pony twins or whatever. Why is it necessary to use a feminine label to insult them?

What's the origin of the pony thing? I aways assumed it was because only women and gay guys like ponies, so that's what made it hilarious. I'm curious though, so please correct me if there's a non-sexist/homophobic meaning that I'm missing.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

If people start getting warnings for saying 'Sedin Sisters' then this place has officially lost it's collective mind.

I'm not really that upset at the YLYL thread getting closed (though I obviously didn't agree with it) but 'Sedin Sisters' becoming an offensive phrase is exactly the slippery slope people were talking about.

really i find the "sedin sister" comment a lot worse than the YLYL thread and the pictures.

a comment like that is brutal in that giving someone or something a feminine linkage with the intent to be derogatory says so much about the view on women themselves. That's a lot worse than that thread in my opinion.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And why do you think that is?

I don't know. I never made up the moniker nor do I use it. That said I also don't care if anyone chooses to use it as I'm not one of those that chooses to inflict my will upon others. I have more going on in my life to worry about trivial things like this.

[OutOfTheCube]

Ugh. Because they play like girls. Non-physical, no fighting, no hitting. Which is how women's hockey is played. And why women don't play in the NHL. So sexist.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gargamel

What's the origin of the pony thing? I aways assumed it was because only women and gay guys like ponies, so that's what made it hilarious. I'm curious though, so please correct me if there's a non-sexist/homophobic meaning that I'm missing.

Have you ever heard of Bronys?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by gargamel

What's the origin of the pony thing? I aways assumed it was because only women and gay guys like ponies, so that's what made it hilarious. I'm curious though, so please correct me if there's a non-sexist/homophobic meaning that I'm missing.

I always thought it was a beastiality thing. Kind of like New Zealanders and Sheep.

And the other side of the ponies is calling them babies as little kids (not just girls) like ponies.

I didn't see that was as sexist or homophobic.

As for the women of edmonton they should continue to be insulted in the same way we insult the men of edmonton. It might be insensitive but it isn't sexist.

[ae118]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because nothing insults a heterosexual man more than questioning his manhood?

"What It feels Like For A Girl"

[Spoken:]
Girls can wear jeans
And cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots
'Cause it's OK to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading
...

[Nehkara]

See, this is what I'm worried about. Every comment in CalgaryPuck being scrutinized for any possible negative connotation towards anyone because it might offend someone.