[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He can - it's possible. But you don't give up Kesler + #6 overall for the chance.

That is massive overpayment.

And at this point, Reinhart and Bennett are not in the Kane, Stamkos, Tavares level for potential. Of course they might turn out better. But today, going into the draft, there is no Stamkos-level prospect waiting for the holder of the 1st overall pick.

No but if you go back over the last 5 drafts you will see lots of very good players taken in the top half of the 1st round over all those years that are playing key roles for their teams. Flames probably realize they won't get a Pronger or Stamkos in this draft but I imagine they would be estatic if one of these guys turned out to be the next Seguin, Landeskog, Duchene, etc and there's a very good chance the first overall pick turns into a player that good.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Trading Giordano would be suicide, a team is more than one guy and he managed to unify them along with Hartley. His work ethic permeates through the team and it's worth keeping over nearly every other player in the NHL because for years he can have a positive influence on Johnny, Sven, Monahan etc. Keep Gio until he can't work hard anymore then hire him as a trainer or assistant coach because there are a few people in the world that can bring what he does.

Without a doubt, trading Gio would be suicide... maybe even wreck your team psyche and balance for years. i.e. going full Oiler

But, Ekblad is said to be the next Drew Doughty....

Personally, I lean towards the "no i would not do the trade" ...... but makes me wonder if we are stuck in the same mindset of Iginla.

[Bourque's Twin]

I'd be willing to move 4th overall + the two 2nd rounders.
I'd also be willing to part ways with Glencross (don't think he would wave).
I wouldn't be happy if they moved Brodie, Backlund, or Baertschi.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Without a doubt, trading Gio would be suicide... maybe even wreck your team psyche and balance for years. i.e. going full Oiler

But, Ekblad is said to be the next Drew Doughty....

Personally, I lean towards the "no i would not do the trade" ...... but makes me wonder if we are stuck in the same mindset of Iginla.

And if he's Cam Barker?

I don't understand why you would trade a stud defenseman in his prime for a could be stud defenseman that is, by all probability, at least a few years away from reaching that type of potential, if it even happens at all.

[dino7c]

no point if you are moving the 4th pick, top 4 guys are pretty even

[Enoch Root]

A 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick - it doesn't change much from year to year.

Even a mid-first is worth more or less the same from year to year.

But the 1st overall is a very different animal. There are years where a Crosby or a MacKinnon is sitting there. Feaster offered our 3 1st rounders last year for the 1st pick. And it was probably a very fair offer.

But there are other years where there is nothing close to a MacKinnon, or even a Kane.

Would anyone in their right mind offer 3 1sts for the chance to draft Yakupov (or Murray or Galchenyuk if they were your preferred choice)?

This year is much more like a Yakupov year. It is no where near a MacKinnon year.

I'm all for acquiring the pick, but giving up the farm for it would be foolish

[puckluck2]

The top 4 picks are pretty even with scouts slightly favoring Ekblad. I wouldn't make that move. Not worth the price it will take.

[Erick Estrada]

I hardly think Giordano is going to be traded anywhere. In fact the Flames are probably looking soon at what it's going to cost to extend him. His leadership is vastly more important to this team than even his play on the ice.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Without a doubt, trading Gio would be suicide... maybe even wreck your team psyche and balance for years. i.e. going full Oiler

But, Ekblad is said to be the next Drew Doughty....

Personally, I lean towards the "no i would not do the trade" ...... but makes me wonder if we are stuck in the same mindset of Iginla.

Who says that?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MattyC

And if he's Cam Barker?

I don't understand why you would trade a stud defenseman in his prime for a could be stud defenseman that is, by all probability, at least a few years away from reaching that type of potential, if it even happens at all.

that would suck and be totally embarassing, so it would never get done

the reason? cause by the time we are competitive, Gio will be mid-30's.... circa de Iginla......

of coarse in the end, Gio won't be delt for the #1 cause its career suicide. just as a speculating fan though, i could see the option being weighed

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It's pretty interesting to see that so many people believe the cost of moving up is pretty varied.

Just for reference the last time someone moved up:

Panthers traded 2003 first round pick (#1-Marc-Andre Fleury), 2003 third round pick (#73-Dan Carcillo) to Penguins for Mikael Samuelsson, 2003 first round pick (#3-Nathan Horton), 2003 second round pick (#55-Stefan Meyer) on 2003-06-21.

I forget at the time, what Samuelsson was valued at.


That being said, if you believe what most scouting reports are saying and that the top 4 have pretty much equal value, there is little reason for the Flames to pay the cost of moving up.

I think times have changed. Teams see more value in young players than they did in the past. I would only go back 2-3 years to see what the cost might be. The only one I can think of is the flames getting rejected with 3 firsts for the #1. Maybe someone knows of other deals in the past 2-3 years involving a top 2-3 pick.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

that would suck and be totally embarassing, so it would never get done

the reason? cause by the time we are competitive, Gio will be mid-30's.... circa de Iginla......

of coarse in the end, Gio won't be delt for the #1 cause its career suicide. just as a speculating fan though, i could see the option being weighed

Jarome scored 50 goals as a 30 year old. And yes, he likely should have been traded in any of the following seasons, but the team was in a very different scenario. They were hoping Iginla would kick and scream and drag them to post season success with Kipper. By the time the decision came to go to a youth movement, Iginla's career had progressed beyond the point of being a mentor to young guys coming in. When Giordano is 33-35, you may have a case if we're not relatively competitive by then, but he could also be an intergral part of that success at that time. Iginla at 40 likely wouldnt be.

[indes]

I think Nashville has the pieces to get it done. 11th overall + Josi + 2nd?

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by heep223

Brodie & Backlund are an integral part of our future. Particularly Brodie - I don't think the Flames would trade him for a first overall straight up.

You might consider making your deal for a first overall, if that first overall is a legitimate generational talent a la Crosby, Ovie, Mackinnon. This is no such year.

First I am a HUGE fan of both Backlund and Brodie. But you need to give to get. Backlund is not untouchable and I would rather keep him. But if we are getting first over all for a package that involves Backlund I would be all over it. (Depending on the other pieces obviously)

As for Brodie, the only reason I brought him up was that Burke has said that we only have 1 top 4 Dman and I am sure he means Gio. So to me that means Brodie is trade-able. Treliving has also mentioned he likes building from the D out and he likes size on his team, the same as Burke. Interchanging Brodie for Ekblad doesn't seem that far out.


I really doubt we get 1st overall but its nice to dream.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Bezer

First I am a HUGE fan of both Backlund and Brodie. But you need to give to get. Backlund is not untouchable and I would rather keep him. But if we are getting first over all for a package that involves Backlund I would be all over it. (Depending on the other pieces obviously)

As for Brodie, the only reason I brought him up was that Burke has said that we only have 1 top 4 Dman and I am sure he means Gio. So to me that means Brodie is trade-able. Treliving has also mentioned he likes building from the D out and he likes size on his team, the same as Burke. Interchanging Brodie for Ekblad doesn't seem that far out.


I really doubt we get 1st overall but its nice to dream.

i believe thats when he first got here. I'm pretty sure he thinks Brodie is a top 4 right now.

[Bezer]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

i believe thats when he first got here. I'm pretty sure he thinks Brodie is a top 4 right now.

If so, fair enough.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

i believe thats when he first got here. I'm pretty sure he thinks Brodie is a top 4 right now.

I'm pretty sure he said it in the Treliving conference. Either way I think Burke is very wary about expectations of young players. I don't think there is much doubt that Brodie was a top 4 D this year. But, especially as a young dman, he can always regress. I'm sure Burke understands Brodie's role on the team and his potential role going forward, but the only guy who has shown to be a top 4 D for multiple seasons in a row is Gio.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sorry CP this opens the door more for Edmonton than Calgary.

I have to agree with you. Since the Oilers loves to always pick first overall and I am sure they been targeting Ekblad all along, I am sure they are willing to give away Nail Yakupov + their first round pick and maybe a roster player.

As for the Flames, no thanks. I just don't like some CP posters' proposal in giving up two good prospects to get Ekblad.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I'm pretty sure he said it in the Treliving conference. Either way I think Burke is very wary about expectations of young players. I don't think there is much doubt that Brodie was a top 4 D this year. But, especially as a young dman, he can always regress. I'm sure Burke understands Brodie's role on the team and his potential role going forward, but the only guy who has shown to be a top 4 D for multiple seasons in a row is Gio.

yeah that is also true, BB did talk about the dynamics of working in a hockey crazy Canadian market and managing expectations...... i.e. managing of Sven, Colburne, etc. You don't want to get caught saying something silly like the whole "best player not in the NHL" soundbit.

The way Brodie was played last year....... you can bet your ass that management is quite happy with Brodie's progress.

[cannon7]

I can see Treliving being interested if only to take Ekblad. The Coyotes drafted a number of defenceman in the first round while he was there, such as Ekman-Laron. The Cootes sure liked their d-men, I wonder how much of that was Treliving.

Wouldn't give up much to go from 4th to 1st mind you. Would depend on if Tallon is looking for a big return or not. Would do a package for it straight up but I'd only be offering vets and mid-range prospects -- Glencross, Wideman, Knight, Ramage, etc. Theycan have david jones for free.