You Know What Really Grinds My Gears....The Sequel!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

The amount of Taxi drivers that are allergic to using their signal lights.

When it's your job to drive people to their destination, you should be held to a higher standard and follow the simple rules of the road.

Honest question, is it a different class of licence to be a cabbie?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Igster

I do love it. It is a great service that kicks regular radio ass.

And I'm not justifying anything. I am paying for a service that is worth it and maybe even worth more. Both my wife and I have it in our vehicles and wouldn't live without it.

Cool. I had it, my wife currently still has it. She likes it, I see no real value in pay-radio.

I'm sure you would in fact survive hearing a Spence Diamonds commercial in between the second and third play of Lorde's latest single.

As Red John said, no real need to be a snob about it. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. You value selection and more music time over money, that's cool. I tested it out, drove over an hour a day 5 days a week and felt the value wasn't there. Do I think it's worse than AM/FM because of this? No. They're just different.

If I want music without commercials I plug my iPod in. I also acquire music through questionable means, so it's still freeeeee! Lucky me!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Honest question, is it a different class of licence to be a cabbie?

It requires a Class 4: http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/...lass_4_Licence

[puckluck2]

I had satellite radio too and thought it was fine but to me definitely not worth the money. I don't drive for a living and the short time I am in the car I'd rather listen to fan960 or plug in my phone and listen to music. Only thing I miss is hearing songs I would have never heard otherwise but still not worth it to me.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by strombad

Cool. I had it, my wife currently still has it. She likes it, I see no real value in pay-radio.

I'm sure you would in fact survive hearing a Spence Diamonds commercial in between the second and third play of Lorde's latest single.

As Red John said, no real need to be a snob about it. One isn't better than the other, they're just different. You value selection and more music time over money, that's cool. I tested it out, drove over an hour a day 5 days a week and felt the value wasn't there. Do I think it's worse than AM/FM because of this? No. They're just different.

If I want music without commercials I plug my iPod in. I also acquire music through questionable means, so it's still freeeeee! Lucky me!

The bolded section is where you are wrong. One is objectively better. It is not debatable that music on Satilite radio is better than music on regular radio. (unless you somehow like spence dianmond comercials). Would you listen to music on Satilite radio if it were free instead of AM/FM? What is debatable is the value that satilite radio provides and I agree that it is not worth the money to get rid of comercials.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

The bolded section is where you are wrong. One is objectively better. It is not debatable that music on Satilite radio is better than music on regular radio. (unless you somehow like spence dianmond comercials). Would you listen to music on Satilite radio if it were free instead of AM/FM? What is debatable is the value that satilite radio provides and I agree that it is not worth the money to get rid of comercials.

Sliver is that you???

You can not say that something like a radio station(s) is ojectively better.

Sorry you can't.

It is a subjective opinion.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by GGG

The bolded section is where you are wrong. One is objectively better. It is not debatable that music on Satilite radio is better than music on regular radio. (unless you somehow like spence dianmond comercials). Would you listen to music on Satilite radio if it were free instead of AM/FM? What is debatable is the value that satilite radio provides and I agree that it is not worth the money to get rid of comercials.

Actually, it's the same music on radio as it is on satellite. Do artists make songs only for airplay on one or the other? Didn't think so.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Red John

Why be a radio snob about it though?

It's like the beer snobs - you like craft beer that's great. Enjoy it. But why constantly try and tell everyone else how much better it is than the mass produced stuff?

Too funny when people can't just enjoy stuff without trying to convince everyone else how much better it is.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the whole reason the internet was invented was so you could tell people stuff like that.

that and taking pictures of food to share with others. and porn.

[GP_Matt]

I used to be in my vehicle for 5 hours a day or so and could not have survived listening to only FM radio. (There is no AM in the north and the FM is patchy)
I did find though that I could only listen to any one station for a day or two before the repeating cycle became annoyingly predictable. It seems like stations like Alt Nation have about a four hour playlist and then they repeat it in the same order. I could be wrong but after a while it really felt like we could predict the next song and would eventually get annoyed enough to switch to a different station.
There were enough stations that it didn't get stale though.

Talk radio is way better on Satellite radio if you are travelling as well. You aren't constantly trying to find the local CBC station to pick up where you left off or listening to the same thing for a second hour because you crossed the border. you also get Fox News which is the most entertaining talk radio.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Red John

Why be a radio snob about it though?

Too funny when people can't just enjoy stuff without trying to convince everyone else how much better it is.

Wasn't trying to be. Wasn't trying to convince people otherwise, other than the fact that people say it's just the same as regular radio and it isn't. That's all.

Originally Posted by strombad

I'm sure you would in fact survive hearing a Spence Diamonds commercial in between the second and third play of Lorde's latest single.

I would rather not hear any commercials on the music stations (which I don't) and enjoy a ton of different music. Not just the few radio stations in the city I might tolerate with limited playlists and tons of commercials and talk. Not sure why it's so hard to see the difference. It's night and day.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I had satellite radio too and thought it was fine but to me definitely not worth the money. I don't drive for a living and the short time I am in the car I'd rather listen to fan960 or plug in my phone and listen to music. Only thing I miss is hearing songs I would have never heard otherwise but still not worth it to me.

I drive from client to client so I spend a lot of time in my vehicle. I like having it for that reason alone and enjoy the variety I can find on it. That's it...no snob. If people like FM, great. Just not for me. I want commercial free radio without a ton of talk and lots of choices. That's why I pay.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

My stupid, stupid car grinds my gears.
Yes it's 14 years old, and yes I was dumb for buying a 12 year old car and expecting it to last more than two years, but dammit, it still grinds my gears.

This expectation is nonsense. Given my family's car history I have an ingrained expectation that I should be able to get 20 useful years out of a car. Our 93 corolla wagon made it to 2008 before it was sold and for all I know it's still going. Our 2000 Accord is still going strong as is my mom's 1997 Sienna. My neighbour's 98 Lexus has literally nothing wrong with it.

Wait I'm starting to see a pattern... but I can't point it out or I'll be labeled a "japanese car reliability" snob.

Originally Posted by Red John

Why be a radio snob about it though? It's like the beer snobs - you like craft beer that's great. Enjoy it. But why constantly try and tell everyone else how much better it is than the mass produced stuff?

Too funny when people can't just enjoy stuff without trying to convince everyone else how much better it is.

Can I reiterate how awesome I'm finding Pandora now that I've got it working? Because it's awesome and so much better than either regular radio OR satellite. But I notice no one's really bothering to engage with this third option. Is this because it's universally acknowledged to be superior? :troll:

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sliver is that you???
You can not say that something like a radio station(s) is ojectively better.
Sorry you can't.
It is a subjective opinion.

Not sure I agree. For example, one could say that HD radio is objectively superior to regular radio in terms of sound quality. If you had two stations playing basically the same playlist but one had superior audio quality I would suggest that it's objectively better.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by GGG

The bolded section is where you are wrong. One is objectively better. It is not debatable that music on Satilite radio is better than music on regular radio. (unless you somehow like spence dianmond comercials). Would you listen to music on Satilite radio if it were free instead of AM/FM? What is debatable is the value that satilite radio provides and I agree that it is not worth the money to get rid of comercials.

But we're talking about a whole product here. Subjectively, one might be better than the other, objectively, no, it isn't.

You can't say "Well would you listen to commercial free radio if you didn't have to pay" because it's not what Satellite radio is. It's commercial free because you pay for it, so if you don't pay for it, you get commercials.

The music is the same. Station by station the only difference is how they make bank. You either shell out your own money or you listen to commercials. Everything else is the same. As I said earlier, the only measurable difference between the two is selection. That's it.

Neither is better, they, like most things, each have advantages and disadvantages. I get that some people need to justify how they spend their money to everyone by qualifying their purchase over other options, but it's just not how everything works. Not everything is necessarily better than something else. Sometimes things are just different. Objectively, that's often all things are.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by strombad

The music is the same. Station by station the only difference is how they make bank. You either shell out your own money or you listen to commercials. Everything else is the same. As I said earlier, the only measurable difference between the two is selection. That's it.

This is simply not true. There are not stations in any city that match the stations you can find on satellite radio content wise. Genre by genre.

Again, not to mention the constant talking on most stations these days...we're not just talking about commercials.

And again, 30% Canadian content mandated by the CRTC. No such thing on the stations I listen to daily on satellite. I am not forced to hear it. I hear better music overall IMO.

[DuffMan]

If I'm going to be travelling a fair distance I will hook up my phone to an fm transmitter and then listen to one of the many apps that are internet radio stations, without commercials and talking.

[Jimmy Stang]

Missing from the terrestrial vs. satellite debate is the holy grail : internet radio. If you are able to negotiate a good data plan, then your smart phone can do it all. When I renegotiated my plan, I was able to get the 6 gig plan for slightly cheaper than what I was paying previously for 1 gig, and I also saved because I cancelled satellite radio.

Better sound quality, virtually unlimited selection of real radio stations from around the world, loads of internet-only streams, music apps, etc. It is a battery hog - that's the only downside. I just plug in anyway.

Even listening to the Fan 960 over the internet in the car sounds so much better than the AM broadcast. You can actually hear skates and sticks and pucks.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Igster

This is simply not true. There are not stations in any city that match the stations you can find on satellite radio content wise. Genre by genre.

Again, not to mention the constant talking on most stations these days...we're not just talking about commercials.

And again, 30% Canadian content mandated by the CRTC. No such thing on the stations I listen to daily on satellite. I am not forced to hear it. I hear better music overall IMO.

Subjectively, I'm sure you do.

Go scream it from the hilltops if it makes you feel better about your purchase. I'm glad you like what you spent your money on, super cool. Everything you mention is strictly subjective. Something with objective qualities is not arguable, it just is or isn't.

I can find almost anything you find on Satellite on terrestrial radio. Do I find whole stations dedicated to it? No, but I also don't pay for it. But hey, if Satellite is subjectively better to you because you can listen to nothing but Bruce Springsteen for 12 straight hours, then let that freak flag fly.

It's not better. You just like it better. Good for you. Even I enjoy listening to the radio in my wife's car better than my radio, but I understand objective value vs. subjective value.

[burn_this_city]

I will never get satellite radio again simply because of their underhanded renewal techniques.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Missing from the terrestrial vs. satellite debate is the holy grail : internet radio. If you are able to negotiate a good data plan, then your smart phone can do it all. When I renegotiated my plan, I was able to get the 6 gig plan for slightly cheaper than what I was paying previously for 1 gig, and I also saved because I cancelled satellite radio.

Better sound quality, virtually unlimited selection of real radio stations from around the world, loads of internet-only streams, music apps, etc. It is a battery hog - that's the only downside. I just plug in anyway.

Even listening to the Fan 960 over the internet in the car sounds so much better than the AM broadcast. You can actually hear skates and sticks and pucks.

I would actually consider that. Internet radio is awesome. "Free", huge selection, etc. I burn through my gig of data every month as it is, so I'm not sure it's worth it for me to pay more per month just for Internet radio, but for those not having to shell out extra cash for it it's a great option!

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I will never get satellite radio again simply because of their underhanded renewal techniques.

That's actually how my XM relationship ended. They tried to be sneaky and charge me for 3 extra months though I had spoken to someone previously about cancelling my plan at the end of the (then) current cycle. I just told the guy straight up I wouldn't be paying a dime, was as nice as possible about it (despite him getting upset at my calm assertions that they wouldn't be receiving any more money from me) and they eventually dropped the bill. Really sneaky in the first place though.

[nixon45]

I am sure it has been covered here already but...

People who drag their feet with every step they take RGMG.

Is it really that hard to lift your feet an extra 1/4" when you walk?

Not only is it extremely annoying, but it is also a sign to other people that you have just given up on life.

[nixon45]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

The amount of Taxi drivers that are allergic to using their signal lights.

Also the fact that they seem to think they are allowed to drop their fare off whilst blocking a full lane of traffic. Busy Saturday evening on 17th Ave? Here let me just sit in this lane for 8 minutes in front of the bar waiting for my payment.