Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[DuffMan]

I just saw this on the news. This is one of the responsible citizens that loses his freedom and amendment rights if there is ever any gun controls.

70 year old guy shows his gun to friends in packed restaurant at lunch hour. repeatedly assures waitress he has a permit. gun goes off bullet hits him and his friend.

"I don't know what people are thinking when they carry a pistol into a family restaurant," Smith said. "There was a family right next to him with a small baby, maybe two months old and a toddler."

In a crowded restaurant, in the middle of the lunchtime rush, Smith said Cassatta is lucky he did not seriously injure or kill someone.

"If the gun had been in a different pocket he could have shot one of those children, if it had been pointed in a different direction it could have hit me or my friend or the waiter."

http://www.13wham.com/news/features/...ent-2109.shtml

not a mass shooting but a crazy gun story none the less.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

not a mass shooting but a crazy gun story none the less.

Not really, sounds rather "normal" typical America to me.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Not really, sounds rather "normal" typical America to me.

Yup, every single day in the wonderful US of friken A there are over 200 people shot and about 35 of them are killed. and that's not counting suicides.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yup, every single day in the wonderful US of friken A there are over 200 people shot and about 35 of them are killed. and that's not counting suicides.

Yikes. Does that stat make note of how many of the shootings are accidental, like the guy in the restaurant?

[DFO]

An interesting article about Dick Metcalf - the guy who recently questioned the NRA gospel while at Guns & Ammo

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/bu...=business&_r=0

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I just saw this on the news. This is one of the responsible citizens that loses his freedom and amendment rights if there is ever any gun controls.

70 year old guy shows his gun to friends in packed restaurant at lunch hour. repeatedly assures waitress he has a permit. gun goes off bullet hits him and his friend.



http://www.13wham.com/news/features/...ent-2109.shtml

not a mass shooting but a crazy gun story none the less.

You see the issue was he was not under pressure, you put him in a high stress situation and he will show excellent control of his weapon, bening able to pick out threat from non-threat targets.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You see the issue was he was not under pressure, you put him in a high stress situation and he will show excellent control of his weapon, bening able to pick out threat from non-threat targets.

Excactly, the issue in America isn't that there are too many guns in public, it's that these gun carriers aren't in high pressure situations to keep them focused. America needs to constantly be creating high pressure situations for these guys, so they don't let their guard down and shoot eachother.

[chemgear]

Not a mass shooting but . . . wow.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,5198889.story

The 13-year-old shot his cousin, Raymond Galloway, while he was sleeping around 5:50 a.m. Sunday in the 500 block of East 38th Place, police said. The 16-year-old was pronounced dead about 90 minutes later at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, according to authorities.

The two boys had been arguing earlier about an Xbox, according to a police report.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Excactly, the issue in America isn't that there are too many guns in public, it's that these gun carriers aren't in high pressure situations to keep them focused. America needs to constantly be creating high pressure situations for these guys, so they don't let their guard down and shoot eachother.

Thank you, it is all about keeping you edge.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Yikes. Does that stat make note of how many of the shootings are accidental, like the guy in the restaurant?

The 35 deaths I mentioned were homicides, about 50 more die from accidental and suicides.

That's over 3 people dead each and every hour of the day from a gun.

That's one screwed up population control

[T@T]

Judge rules Chicago gun ban is unconstitutional.

"The stark reality facing the City each year is thousands of shooting victims and hundreds of murders committed with a gun. But on the other side of this case is another feature of government: certain fundamental rights are protected by the Constitution, put outside government's reach, including the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense under the Second Amendment," wrote U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/us/chi...nn-disqus-area

Will anybody ever grow a set when it comes to this stupid 220+ year old second amendment.

[DuffMan]

The NRA, uses their money and power to undercut the mayor of the city.

What a regressive country. the NRA in Chicago can party like it's 1799 to celebrate.

Good to see at least some people are waking up to the stupidity called the 2A, and organizing against it. Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence

Todd Vandermyde, Illinois lobbyist for the NRA, said Chang rejected all of the city’s arguments in his 35-page decision.

“The city is going to have to allow retail gun shops to operate and they are going to have to allow individuals to transfer firearms in normal transactions,” Vandermyde said. “So the question now is: How much more money does Rahm (Emanuel) (Chicagos mayor)want to spend fighting it?”

Mark Walsh, campaign director for the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said the financially powerful NRA has systematically fought to water down gun laws in Illinois and across the country. He said gun control advocates must continue to fight to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals.

“That’s the NRA’s game plan. They keep filing suits and filing suits to chip away laws and get to their ultimate goal of a complete armed citizenry,” he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7182171.story

[nik-]

Originally Posted by T@T

Judge rules Chicago gun ban is unconstitutional.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/us/chi...nn-disqus-area

Will anybody ever grow a set when it comes to this stupid 220+ year old second amendment.

The problem is technically it is unconstitutional.

[Temporary_User]

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/two-rcmp-...nton-1.1626796

Two RCMP officers injured in shooting east of Edmonton

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/two-rcmp-...nton-1.1626796

That goes in the Ongoing Canadian Mass Shooting Thread.....oh wait.....

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/two-rcmp-...nton-1.1626796

We see what you are doing.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/two-rcmp-...nton-1.1626796

That's not the US. That was not a mass shooting. There weren't even any deaths.

[Shnabdabber]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

We are posting in a mass shooting thread, I assumed you would know I was talking about firearms...........

Well then at least try not to insult everyone's intelligence and call them what they are.

I have no idea what kind of control wouldn't violate their "core right". However, I do know that the current approach is not working. When the US guns violence per capita is in line with 3rd world countries, you might say there is a problem.

Well if the current approach isnt working then what is wrong with it? You seem to think its broken so if thats the case how would you go about fixing it?

I suspect that it will take a fundimental shift in their "core values". Is this possible, I have no idea, it will take years, maybe generations, but I hope it happens. Sadly, I am not confident it will.

By shift in core values you mean subjugating the 2A?

So wait what?? There are 300 million (you number) firearms and no one knows where they are.......Don't you think that is a problem? Don't you think that someone (other than the owners) should know where they are?

If you can explain to me why a private citizen needs to give information and control about a piece of property he owns to the gov't then I'll perhaps consider it to be a problem. Regardless, they do not have any idea where the 300+ firearms are so what difference does it make?

Thanks tips. I am aware the NRA is not giving out firearms, although if they could figure out a way to do that I am sure they would. What the NRA, et al., is doing is yelling and screaming about gun ownership and how any discussion on gun control is un-American (my term).

You're welcome, resort to condescending remarks all you want, only proves you have no clue what you are talking about. But by all means, still insist your position that the big bad NRA would still give firearms away if they could.

It appears, and I might be wrong that you are inagreement with the US approach to gun control. If such is the case, we could talk/post ofr 100 years and I will never change your mind. Stats regarding the number of deaths related to guns in the US will do nothing.

Thankfully I live in Canada, but I have friends and family that lives in the states and that drives me crazy.

Americans poorly perceived gun culture has nothing to do with the gun itself and everything to do with the individual. Blaming a mass of people and punishing them for the crimes of a individual does not mean others forfeit their rights.

[Shnabdabber]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I have to admit, I love the consistent blind spot you exhibit in your arguments. The high number of mass shootings in the United States every year is obviously linked to the high number of available guns in the country, yet your argument for ensuring safety is to promote the idea that even more guns be available.

The number of mass shootings in the US is OBVIOUSLY linked to the high number of guns available? Obviously?

Are you trying to imply the firearm itself is responsible for the crime, or that there is a absolute direct correlation between firearms ownership and mass shooting deaths?

Or passing off your opinion as fact by qualifying it with "obviously?".

Either way it's completely false and if you would like to back it up with statistics, then by all means have at er.


Not once did I mention the answer was "even more guns" be available, but people with the trained ability to defend themselves should at least have that option and not be a handcuffed victim waiting for their bullet. But continue trying to put words in peoples mouths if you think it helps you defend your position.

That is the kind of thinking that has resulted in many hundreds of families having to relive their ordeal on the anniversaries of their children's senseless deaths at school.

Ahh yes. The fear driven guilt trip. If people do not agree with your point of view then they are unsympathetic towards victims of criminal acts.

Those same families you love to use in the gravedancing to try and prove a misguided point are more and more becoming resentful of their tragedy being used as a grandstand for the anti gun agenda.

This backhanded crap won't work on me. I was in my school when three of my friends were shot at. One died, one nearly bled to death in the hallway, and thankfully the third was not hit. I walked through that same hallway not 30 seconds before gun fire rang out and a crazed individual murdered one of my friends. Don't sit there and pretend victims of gun crime are all hands on deck when it comes to repealing a law abiding citizen of their rights.

Save the diatribe for someone else.

[Shnabdabber]