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			As a cyclist, a automobilist, a motorcyclist, and a walkingist, I say amen to that.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 07:49 AM
			
			
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				I suppose that's the difference between a leader and a populist. 
			
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I won't derail this thread by getting  into it with you, but I will ask you to troll a different thread.
 
Bunk, what is the  public support data or polling data asking for more bike lanes.  I suspect it is a vocal minority but am prepared to be convinced otherwise.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-19-2013, 10:21 AM
			
			
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				Bunk, what is the  public support data or polling data asking for more bike lanes.  I suspect it is a vocal minority but am prepared to be convinced otherwise. 
			
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So what if it is only a minority? Should their needs not be addressed?
 
I'm not a cyclist myself, but I'm happy to see my municipal tax dollars used for additional bike lanes that will get them off the streets and sidewalks, thus making a safer transportation system for everyone.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:22 AM
			
			
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				So what if it is only a minority? Should their needs not be addressed? 
 
I'm not a cyclist myself, but I'm happy to see my municipal tax dollars used for additional bike lanes that will get them off the streets and sidewalks, thus making a safer transportation system for everyone. 
			
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Debatable. If you're making fewer roads and adding congestion, you're going to increase number of accidents due to sheer rage induced in drivers.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:25 AM
			
			
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				Bunk, what is the  public support data or polling data asking for more bike lanes.  I suspect it is a vocal minority but am prepared to be convinced otherwise. 
			
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I believe local cycling surveys have reported that people will cycle if they are able to do so safely. Many other cities have had these same results and the respondents stuck to their word once things like cycle lanes and bike-shares were provided.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-19-2013, 10:34 AM
			
			
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				Well said. I dislike most cyclists, like many others, but one thing I don't understand from most anti-cycist people is the hate for bike lanes. How is getting them out of car lanes a bad thing? Seems like a win-win to me. 
			
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I'm anti-cyclist but I'm neutral to bike lanes as long as we don't sacrifice car lanes to accomodate bike lanes.  The last thing we need to encourage is more cyclists biking in minus -20C, it's never safe to do so.  But some cyclists seem to think biking in inclement weather is a testament to them saving the planet and human race.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:39 AM
			
			
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				I'm anti-cyclist but I'm neutral to bike lanes as long as we don't sacrifice car lanes to accomodate bike lanes.  The last thing we need to encourage is more cyclists biking in minus -20C, it's never safe to do so.  But some cyclists seem to think biking in inclement weather is a testament to them saving the planet and human race. 
			
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I didn't even know people existed who were anti-cyclist.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:41 AM
			
			
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				I'm anti-cyclist but I'm neutral to bike lanes as long as we don't sacrifice car lanes to accomodate bike lanes.  The last thing we need to encourage is more cyclists biking in minus -20C, it's never safe to do so.  But some cyclists seem to think biking in inclement weather is a testament to them saving the planet and human race. 
			
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Why is it "never safe" to bike in -20?
 
Are you anti-cyclist and pro common sense?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:42 AM
			
			
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Why would you want no one to bike, ever?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:44 AM
			
			
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				What's happening with projects like the 7th street cycle track is that through the work of re-engineering the road things like turn advances and signal timing are being tweaked - not at the expense of traffic, just the opposite, they're to off-set or mitigate traffic impacts as a result of the cycle track.  
  
On that particular project, traffic movement was sped up - if anything it was at the slight expense of the convenience of pedestrians as they may have to wait slightly longer at lights while an advance left-turn green is going for instance. On the other hand, pedestrians benefit from not having cyclists on the sidewalk. Seemed like a win-win for everyone. 
			
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   The City should ask anyone that has to deliver to Life plaza, or First Alberta place what they think of the cycle track and the tweaking.  
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 10:45 AM
			
			
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				I'm anti-cyclist but I'm neutral to bike lanes as long as we don't sacrifice car lanes to accomodate bike lanes.  The last thing we need to encourage is more cyclists biking in minus -20C, it's never safe to do so.  But some cyclists seem to think biking in inclement weather is a testament to them saving the planet and human race. 
			
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I bike everyday even in -20C or below. Why is it unsafe to do so? Should people not be walking to work when it's this cold as well? I do it because it's cheaper than driving and taking the bus and it's faster than walking. Pretty easy decision for me.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 05:44 PM
			
			
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				I believe local cycling surveys have reported that people will cycle if they are able to do so safely. Many other cities have had these same results and the respondents stuck to their word once things like cycle lanes and bike-shares were provided. 
			
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Yes, the cycling strategy did a fair amount of representative surveys. Focused on citizens' appetite to cycle and under what conditions. 
 
Through things like Centre City cycle track planning groups like BOMA have surveyed tenants of buildings to gauge support from your average downtown worker on their desire to see infrastructure. Those surveys show that about 2/3 are supportive of dedicated space. This is normal stakeholder engagement activity (there are many conduits) - we prefer not to develop public policy and infrastructure investment decisions on a referendum model.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-19-2013, 06:52 PM
			
			
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			Hey, Bunk!  Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, buddy.  It is a courageous undertaking to take the heat from anonymous posters on a hockey forum and I sincerely applaud you for doing so.  Best of everything in 2014, Josh.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 06:56 PM
			
			
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				Hey, Bunk!  Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, buddy.  It is a courageous undertaking to take the heat from anonymous posters on a hockey forum and I sincerely applaud you for doing so.  Best of everything in 2014, Josh. 
			
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Does Bunk really "take the heat" on this forum? From my anecdotal observations, I'd say the vast majority of CP posters are largely supportive of Nenshi and Bunk.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
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			12-19-2013, 09:30 PM
			
			
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				Does Bunk really "take the heat" on this forum? From my anecdotal observations, I'd say the vast majority of CP posters are largely supportive of Nenshi and Bunk. 
			
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People challenge things (including CaptainYooh), which is good. I'm happy that most of the dialogue is intelligent and repectful.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-19-2013, 09:32 PM
			
			
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			Man, i would love to know why this city is so bad at removing snow. If you have ever been to Montreal in the winter, that is how you get it done.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-19-2013, 09:42 PM
			
			
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				Man, i would love to know why this city is so bad at removing snow. If you have ever been to Montreal in the winter, that is how you get it done. 
			
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Discussed a few pages back - Calgary doesn't remove snow (except on rare occasions) - we have a Snow and Ice Control program, which we spend $34 million on annually. Montreal has a snow removal program which costs $145 million annually despite fewer lane kilometers. We too could do snow removal with 4 times the budget - that would mean roughly a 9% increase in property taxes. I imagine we'll increase budget by some amount in the next budget cycle to deal better with the more extreme situations like we've seen this month, and also change some protocols including how to deal with windrows, snow drifts, and use of private contractors.
 
But I do think it's fair to say the program has worked much better in more normal circumstances since we increased the budget and overhauled the policy in 2011.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				People challenge things (including CaptainYooh), which is good. I'm happy that most of the dialogue is intelligent and repectful. 
			
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Go fata yourself, shantz-head.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			What was the name of that really good radio station here in Calgary in the early to mid nineties that played all the awesome alt rock songs like Pavement, Weezer, Cracker and the Pixies? 
 
It was AM. Maybe 1060?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-20-2013, 04:07 PM
			
			
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				what was the name of that really good radio station here in calgary in the early to mid nineties that played all the awesome alt rock songs like pavement, weezer, cracker and the pixies? 
 
It was am. Maybe 1060? 
			
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