[PGT] Stars at Flames. Flames lose 7-3.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Feaster and Hartley you can stop praising Bulter anytime. No he has not stepped up. Look at the last 3 games and the results since they have bumped him up to 1st pairing from 3rd. -4 he is screwing up Brodie now. Butler is crap and should be off the team.
The love towards Butler from Hartley and more importantly Feaster is sickening.
I took great delight heckling that fool all game. Everytime DAL scored and I saw Butler was on the ice I was happy it was on his watch. It is the only way these 2 are going to wake up out of their Butler stuper.
Feaster should have put him in the Smid trade. That is where hr belongs part of the Oilers awesome D.

This should be a post you're embarrassed about after you've submitted it.

[Flamefan1]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

Hopefully the team can recover from such an embarrassing, humiliating beat down on home ice. May have to be bring in a special sports psychologist for the team to carry on and continue the season.

Must be tough for coach Hartley to want to win and having to work with a GM like Feaster who seems to be out to lunch on what an NHL player should look like.

Sven Baertschi had an assist last night but he simply isn't NHL ready. He's like a broomstick on skates out there.

Chris Butler a -4, ouch. But when the whole team is a collective -21 that is some kind of ugly.

Matt Stajan had 2 goals so I guess that's a positive. And please, can we put to rest the illusion that some people here have that Backlund is better than Stajan? Not even close.

Saturday will be a very interesting and telling game in how the Flames come back and respond after this debacle.

Baertschi is NHL ready and Backlund would have a lot more points than Stajan if he had the same line mates and the same ice time. Stajan needs to be traded ASAP so that we can get one of our young guys up.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Baertschi is NHL ready and Backlund would have a lot more points than Stajan if he had the same line mates and the same ice time. Stajan needs to be traded ASAP so that we can get one of our young guys up.

Backlund has had more ice time than Stajan this season and in those extra 75 minutes he has 1 less point than him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Baertschi is NHL ready and Backlund would have a lot more points than Stajan if he had the same line mates and the same ice time. Stajan needs to be traded ASAP so that we can get one of our young guys up.

Backlund had those linemates when Stajan was out and outside of a couple secondary assists and a goal or two he wasn't generating much offense. I don't buy any argument of that kin when team leading Hudler has been the player he's played with the most and he's got much more PP time than Stajan. He had a chance to start the season, he didn't shine.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by moon

Backlund has had more ice time than Stajan this season and in those extra 75 minutes he has 1 less point than him.

You honestly didn't think this would pass the smell test, did you? Of course Backlund has had more ice time, Stajan has only played 11 games of a 19 game season because he was injured.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You honestly didn't think this would pass the smell test, did you? Of course Backlund has had more ice time, Stajan has only played 11 games of a 19 game season because he was injured.

But that was in response to a person saying Backlund would have more points than Stajan if he was given Stajan's ice time. The problem with that argument was he was given Stajan's ice time since Stajan was injured.

In fact Backlund had more ice-time in his first 10 games than Stajan has had in his 10 games coming back from injury. So the whole point is moot.

It doesn't seem like it would take a crystal ball to play that what-if game here. If someone wants to know Backlund's point production with 20 minutes of ice-time including PP time with good linemates, check the game log of the first half of the season.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But that was in response to a person saying Backlund would have more points than Stajan if he was given Stajan's ice time. The problem with that argument was he was given Stajan's ice time since Stajan was injured.

In fact Backlund had more ice-time in his first 10 games than Stajan has had in his 10 games coming back from injury. So the whole point is moot.

It doesn't seem like it would take a crystal ball to play that what-if game here. If someone wants to know Backlund's point production with 20 minutes of ice-time including PP time with good linemates, check the game log of the first half of the season.

Honestly, CP needs to hire a recorder/statistician/historian. I'd like to see the Corsi Advanced Stats of all the Backlund apologistsand their posts on 100s of threads related to how he has been hard done by and if we only played him with this guy or in that situation, he'd be a top player in this league....

As mentioned, he had all the minutes in the world until Stajan returned, do you think there is some love affair with Stajan from Management (LoL)? They'd have been happy to let Backlund remain on the first line - if warranted, it simply wasn't and now he can't retain a spot on the top 3 lines.

The 2 seasons prior they did give him time with Jarome and Tangs and it was abysmal, the minute he left the line, they would heat up. He's entirely responsible for adopting linemates, Big Ern and Jacks.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Honestly, CP needs to hire a recorder/statistician/historian. I'd like to see the Corsi Advanced Stats of all the Backlund apologistsand their posts on 100s of threads related to how he has been hard done by and if we only played him with this guy or in that situation, he'd be a top player in this league....

As mentioned, he had all the minutes in the world until Stajan returned, do you think there is some love affair with Stajan from Management (LoL)? They'd have been happy to let Backlund remain on the first line - if warranted, it simply wasn't and now he can't retain a spot on the top 3 lines.

The 2 seasons prior they did give him time with Jarome and Tangs and it was abysmal, the minute he left the line, they would heat up. He's entirely responsible for adopting linemates, Big Ern and Jacks.

Hmm. One person with a strange jilted girlfriend like hate for Backlund does not make others at the end of that strange spectrum an apologist

[Flamefan1]

Originally Posted by moon

Backlund has had more ice time than Stajan this season and in those extra 75 minutes he has 1 less point than him.

Backlund had 4 points in the 7 games when Stajan was injured. Although he did not hit the scoresheet often he was definitely very involved in the offence as evidenced by his 20 shots on goal in those 7 games. Stajan has only 14 shots in 11 games including 5 in last game when the game was out of reach. Backlund has only averaged about 11 minutes again since Stajan returned or would have had several more points than Stajan. Their ppg average is almost identical when given the same icetime this year. I would keep a 24 year old with potential versus a soon to be 30 year old that continues to get pushed of the puck easily anyway. Their is no logical rationale to keep Stajan in a rebuilding team, although I do believe you need some role models such as a Camalleri, Hudler and Glencross.

[Badgers Nose]

I think its sad for Backlund that Stajan is the comparable.

When he was drafted I had such high hopes for him. IMO this team only need one of the two. Backlund is cheaper, younger and seems to be OK with a prove it or lose contract every year.

Pretty easy choice IMO.