[Trade] Oilers trade Smid and Olivier Roy to Flames for Horak and Brossoit

[Singularity]

Bye bye Butler?

[Dion]

I would like to see Smid turn into another Robyn Regehr.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Dion

I would like to see Smid turn into another Robyn Regehr.

We can only hope his skates don't turn into cement blocks like Regehr though.

[chockfullofgoodness]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Looks like he is wearing #3!

Carrying on the awesome tradition of Pat Quinn, Pat Ribble, Phil Russell, Tony Curtale, Steve Konroyd, Kevan Guy, Rick Lessard, Frank Musil, James Patrick, Denis Gauthier, Dion Phaneuf, Ian White, & Brett Carson!

That's impressive, Rico. (It needed to be said)

[stemit14]

I also think the flames win this trade by denying the oilers a potential 2nd round pick that they could have gotten for him at the trade deadline... Like it or not, guys like Smid go for that much come trade deadline and I wouldn't have been surprised to see then get that much for him if they waited.

[squirtle]

Originally Posted by Dion

I would like to see Smid turn into another Robyn Regehr.

I know he's a rock and has a mean streak, but how fast is smid? I seem to remember he was pretty mobile but I may be wrong.

[TjRhythmic]

I still have trouble figuring this one out from an Oilers perspective... as a Flames fan though, I love it. Great pickup for sure.

[puckluck2]

When Smid said he was surprised how hard the Flames practice it brought a tear to my eye.

No more soft Oiler practices, Smid!

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

When Smid said he was surprised how hard the Flames practice it brought a tear to my eye.

No more soft Oiler practices, Smid!

It's the difference between a good organization and a gong show.

[stemit14]

Will be nice when the flames get giordano back:

Giordano-Brodie
Wideman-Russell
Smid-Butler/O'Brian

Not a high end defence like boston... But we'll have a good mix of speed, skill, and grit. Plus Smid's known for his shot blocking which fits well with the rest of this Calgary squad. I also think this will help take some pressure off of wideman... You can see that Hartley has been trying to pull back on his minutes lately so it will be nice to be able to use Smid to help with that as well.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

I still have trouble figuring this one out from an Oilers perspective... as a Flames fan though, I love it. Great pickup for sure.

The Oilers are in cap trouble because of bonuses, so they had to get rid of a contract to sign Brzgalov. It is kind of like the situation Feaster portrayed as the reason for trading Regher, except we didn't sign the player Feaster wanted.

[UKflames]

Late to the party on this one as I was away all weekend but i expected to come to CP and find a total meltdown having traded away Broissot (sp) and, to a lesser degree, Horak, i was surprised by the reactions.

Yes some were unhappy but it seems most are pleased because this make the oilers worse, always a good thing, Smid seems a servicable D man, which we need right now, and both prospects were considered expendable.

I don't know a lot about Smid so interested to see how he fits in now that he has to do proper training sessions.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The Oilers are in cap trouble because of bonuses, so they had to get rid of a contract to sign Brzgalov. It is kind of like the situation Feaster portrayed as the reason for trading Regher, except we didn't sign the player Feaster wanted.

Except the deal was talked about 3 weeks before the discussions with Brygalov had started and indications from Edmonton media are that MacTavish had talked about moving Smid since the start of the season since he wanted a more mobile, puck moving defense group.

The Bryzgalov aspect and salary cap concerns seem to not have been an issue at all. There are a lot other guys that make sense to move for cap issues that if is their concern.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by moon

Except the deal was talked about 3 weeks before the discussions with Brygalov had started and indications from Edmonton media are that MacTavish had talked about moving Smid since the start of the season since he wanted a more mobile, puck moving defense group.

The Bryzgalov aspect and salary cap concerns seem to not have been an issue at all. There are a lot other guys that make sense to move for cap issues that if is their concern.

Whether or not he moved him because of other reasons, you're wrong when you say that Bryzgalov and salary cap concerns had nothing to do with it. Be disagreeable all you want, but salary cap concerns played a very large part in it, as cited by most reputable media involved (and it was mentioned that the deal with Bryzaglov was pending the completion of the EDM-CGY trade, if that didn't make it obvious enough.)

You're confused.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by moon

Except the deal was talked about 3 weeks before the discussions with Brygalov had started and indications from Edmonton media are that MacTavish had talked about moving Smid since the start of the season since he wanted a more mobile, puck moving defense group.

The Bryzgalov aspect and salary cap concerns seem to not have been an issue at all. There are a lot other guys that make sense to move for cap issues that if is their concern.

Well lets just say it became a salary cap issue when they decided to sign Brtzgalov giving them the need to carry out the Smid trade.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by moon

Except the deal was talked about 3 weeks before the discussions with Brygalov had started and indications from Edmonton media are that MacTavish had talked about moving Smid since the start of the season since he wanted a more mobile, puck moving defense group.

The Bryzgalov aspect and salary cap concerns seem to not have been an issue at all. There are a lot other guys that make sense to move for cap issues that if is their concern.

I may have missed this but I hadn't heard this at all. It seemed to me that the Oilers were looking to get bigger and tougher on the blue line. Besides, there is nothing wrong with Smid's mobility or puck moving abilities. He's not a PP QB or offensive dynamo but he can move the puck well.

[old-fart]

MacTipsy doesn't think his defencemen need to actually, you know, play defence. How else can you explain the complete lack of any defensive play from this team? The one somewhat shutdown guy they had they just traded to their biggest rivals for the Flames' 11th or so best forward prospect and our 5th best goalie prospect (and yes, LB becomes the Oilers best goalie prospect but that is more an indictment of how horrible their drafting is outside "first overall").

Horak is a bit of a tweener that is fast closing in on needing waivers to be sent down. i don't think he ever makes it above a third liner unfortunately (I like the guy), and with the Flames having Colborne and Knight, he wasn't going to get a shot here.

LB hasn't shown he can win the big game. He had a good run with the Oil Kings, but pooped the bed in the Memorial Cup. With the Flames, he was very clearly the fifth best goalie at camp behind all of MacDonald, Ramo, Berra and Ortio. Take MacDonald out as he is not in the long term plans, but add in Gillis who is leaps and bounds better already than LB and you have zero room for him too. I doubt he ever gets more than a cup of coffee in the NHL.

A solid 4-5 stay at home defenceman with a bit of a mean streak signed to a decent, if not cap friendly contract for 3 more years for a small tweener and longshot. Excellent job MacTipsy.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

I may have missed this but I hadn't heard this at all. It seemed to me that the Oilers were looking to get bigger and tougher on the blue line. Besides, there is nothing wrong with Smid's mobility or puck moving abilities. He's not a PP QB or offensive dynamo but he can move the puck well.

To be fair, I haven't seen much of the guy day to day, but a lot of Edmonton media threw out there that he wasn't very good when it came to moving the puck.

Though all of them said it was almost completely negated when you put him with a guy with strong puck moving ability, so do we think that once Gio comes back he might be better off with Wideman than Smith/Butler/SOB?

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

Whether or not he moved him because of other reasons, you're wrong when you say that Bryzgalov and salary cap concerns had nothing to do with it. Be disagreeable all you want, but salary cap concerns played a very large part in it, as cited by most reputable media involved (and it was mentioned that the deal with Bryzaglov was pending the completion of the EDM-CGY trade, if that didn't make it obvious enough.)

You're confused.

It has nothing to do with being disagreeable at all and everything to do with Feaster himself saying they have been discussing Smid for 3 weeks now. I guess it is possible that for 3 weeks MacTavish has been negotiating with Bryzgalov and it took that long for him to work out a deal with a goalie with zero other options and on a deal that is worth 1.75 million but that seems unlikely.

Here is a Dan Tencer said on the trade:
Moving on to the Ladislav Smid trade, I think Craig MacTavish identified this as a contract he was likely to move as soon as he took the job. MacTavish is definite in his desire to build a blue-line with more puck movers and I’m not sure he saw Smid as a Top 4 defenseman over the course of the 4 year deal that he signed. When the opportunity came about to sign Andrew Ference for the same term, I think it sealed this fate.

Tencer is an idiot but he is connected with the Oilers being one of their media spokemen.

Most "reputable" media sources connected the dots because they saw the two moves happening at the same time and thought Bryzgalov was getting paid more than he got, but looking at the timeline Feaster outlined and the statements by Tencer it sure looks like the Bryzgalov contract was a very small part of moving Smid and likely just a timing coincidence with a guy they were looking to move bryzgalov or not.

[moon]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

I may have missed this but I hadn't heard this at all. It seemed to me that the Oilers were looking to get bigger and tougher on the blue line. Besides, there is nothing wrong with Smid's mobility or puck moving abilities. He's not a PP QB or offensive dynamo but he can move the puck well.

I disagree he is very poor at moving the puck or playing it in general but since it was supposedly MacT that made the assessment it doesn't really matter what you or I think because MacTavish thought he wasn't good enough and was the one who moved him.