Sean FRICKIN Monahan

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Don't know why you're quoting me as I didn't bring it up first

But I'd still like to be on your ignore list though.

Done.

Got no time for posters like you anyway.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Done.

Got no time for posters like you anyway.

Everytime you post anything, I imagine Ron Swanson saying it.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Linden had 110 points in 67 games his final season of junior. When he was drafted 2nd overall, it wasn't just because he was a character guy. He had 30 goals his first season in the NHL. I don't see any reason to believe Monahan has a higher offensive ceiling.

I'm sorry you're so down on Monahan... I don't think he would have gone 6th overall in this deep draft had the Flames not thought he has the potential to surpass Linden's numbers.

I think most in here would agree Monahan's ceiling is certainly higher. Of course, I'll be ecstatic if he can manage to reach the level Linden did...but the potential is there for him to be a top-level C, like Staal, Getzlaf or Toews.

[macker]

Originally Posted by blah blah

Also, 18 is the legal drinking age in Alberta so he was legal already.

And it is 19 in Ontario.....who cares really. Wasn't the point aside from a sideways reference that he is from Ontario Do as your picture

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

You're right. No one knows 100% for sure how it would've eventually played out. And as a Flames fan, I'm glad we didn't have to find out

But I think I'd be more inclined to believe Bill Daly's interpretation of the rule over Jay Feaster's.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417108

You're right that the league's interpretation was different - I don't think that's in question. Feaster said it himself in his statement afterwards that the Flames interpretation was different from the that of the NHL.

But if the language of the rule is not precise then I don't think it matters what the NHL's intention was, only what the wording allows, and I think the Flames had a strong case to argue. Ideally not something you want decided in a courtroom or on an arbitrators desk, however.

Regardless, Colorado matched and the Flames took Monahan. I couldn't be happier with how the whole saga turned out.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Yeah. Marty wore 23

And Eric Nystrom (6/21 goals for the Flames are GWG).

Lots of clutch scoring in that jersey.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by strombad

Everytime you post anything, I imagine Ron Swanson saying it.

I am so glad I'm not the only one doing that

[Cole436]

Who would have thought before the season Monahan was in the Calder discussion before Sven?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Who would have thought before the season Monahan was in the Calder discussion before Sven?

Not I, but there's 77 more games for that to change

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Not I, but there's 77 more games for that to change

So you're saying there's plenty of time for BOTH to be in the running

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I'm sorry you're so down on Monahan... I don't think he would have gone 6th overall in this deep draft had the Flames not thought he has the potential to surpass Linden's numbers.

So now I'm down on Monahan? What a joke. I'm tremendously excited about him. But I don't let that excitement blot out all reason and context. Forwards drafted 6th overall tend to have lower upsides than those drafted 2nd.

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

Instead of being a drama queen about it maybe you should understand why someone think you're "down" on Monahan by saying that.

Right off the bat, Linden isn't an exciting guy to compare anyone too. He's considered a leader but he spent most of his career, the years after he left Vancouver, as mostly a third line hockey player. Linden did put up 30 goals as a rookie but he never was more then a 30 goal guy, he plateaued as a goal scorer as a rookie. As a point producer he was never a huge guy either, he had 6 seasons of 70+ points and those were all early in his career in the early 90's.

Linden's years of being the guy you're comparing Monahan to are over 20 years ago, so you can't blame people for not remembering the player he was and not the guy he was for the last ten years, most people know that Linden. Personally I don't think Monahan cracks 30 goals in his rookie year like Linden did but I see a guy who has more then a 70 point season in him. It's just not a "fun" comparable, nor is it recent.

Draft position has little to do with it at this point, no? It was widely considered a top heavy draft and a year prior Monahan was widely debated as being a top overall pick. There were plenty of rumblings, I said so myself, that the guys taken 5th or 6th are potential top players from this draft. When everyone was whining about losing one or two more games I was still really pleased we'd have a shot at Monahan or Lindholm and honestly the only guy I still really muse about is Barkov, I think he could/will be the gem of the draft but a guy like Monahan could be easily in with the likes of Jones, Mackimmon etc.

No need to take shots at the site or act like a child about it though.

[shogged]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So now I'm down on Monahan? What a joke. I'm tremendously excited about him. But I don't let that excitement blot out all reason and context. Forwards drafted 6th overall tend to have lower upsides than those drafted 2nd.

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

draft position ≠ potential


see the 2003 draft for proof.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So now I'm down on Monahan? What a joke. I'm tremendously excited about him. But I don't let that excitement blot out all reason and context. Forwards drafted 6th overall tend to have lower upsides than those drafted 2nd.

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

And forwards drafted 1st overall in a weak draft tend to have lower upsides than forwards drafted 4th overall in a strong draft.

Were you making a point? Or just pretending like you had?

[Tinordi]

I don't like the Linden comparable based on comparing their stats. I like the Linden comparable because his style of play reminds me alot of Linden.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So now I'm down on Monahan? What a joke. I'm tremendously excited about him. But I don't let that excitement blot out all reason and context. Forwards drafted 6th overall tend to have lower upsides than those drafted 2nd.

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

Can you start making your points without slamming this forum. If you don't respect it - then you don't have to post here. You can disagree without implying that this board is "comical" and over-exaggerating the position of others. If you want people to respect your viewpoint - respect others.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So now I'm down on Monahan? What a joke. I'm tremendously excited about him. But I don't let that excitement blot out all reason and context. Forwards drafted 6th overall tend to have lower upsides than those drafted 2nd.

This is such a comical site at times. I don't think Brodie is the next Paul Coffee. Makes me a hater, I guess. Fallacy of the excluded middle, thy name is Calgarypuck.

Your hyperbole doesn't help your argument here... and yes, you ARE down on Monahan relative to most of us as you don't think he has the potential to be better offensively than Trevor Linden.

And yes, you're correct that MOST 2nd overall picks will likely have a higher ceiling than 6th overall picks... although that is certainly NOT always the case... furthermore, we're not comparing the potential of these 2 players as Linden's actual results are already a known value.

Monahan certainly has a higher ceiling than Pavel Brendl, Doug Wickenheiser and David Legwand.

p.s. I will be ECSTATIC with Monahan if he amounts to the same player Linden was, no question... I mentioned that before. I'm in no way undervaluing Linden, in my opinion... I lived in Vancouver his entire career and saw him more than most on here... great player, the Flames could use one just like him

[Miniac]

NHL Live: Sean Monahan interview

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...455634&lang=en

And Johnny Gaudreau too
http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...451531&lang=en

[Flash Walken]

I don't think comparing him to Linden is being down on him and thought it was an interesting comparison that I hadn't heard before. I don't see E.Staal because Monahan hasn't shown that kind of footspeed yet, but, perhaps our collective memory of Linden is shaded by two factors: his final seasons as a 3rd/4th line player and the Canuck Stink.

I'd be ok if Monahan ended up being a consistent 30 goal scorer who could dominate the faceoff circle and possession down low, lead his team, be a grizzled playoff warrior who produced when it mattered most.

From that perspective, I see the comparison immediately, as Monahan seems very comfortable with the idea of hanging back to help out his defenders rather than stray too far and jeopardize his linemates.

I don't think comparing him to a 21 year old captain who scored 2 goals in game 7 of the cup final is a dismissal. It's not exactly an outrageously lofty comparison, but it's not a comparison to Patrick Stefan, either.

Trevor Linden was good enough to make Team Canada for the Nagano olympics and I believe scored the only goal for Canada against the Czechs (where Crawford kept Gretzky on the bench for the shootout...). He was probably the most dependable player in the league for much of his career, major injuries aside.

If Monahan turns into a that kind of player, I would say it would be a massive success.

[PlayfulGenius]

^^^ I'm sure just about every single poster in here, including me, agrees with you.

I also believe Monahan has the potential to be even better than Linden, at least in the way of offensive production...many others feel the same way.

We'll see.

No one said Linden wasn't amazing... And no one said comparing him to Linden is being down on him...unless I've missed some posts.