Freemen on the land are growing exponentially

[Minnie]

She went to court today. He's been ordered to be out by Friday at midnight - if he is not out by then, the eviction company will be sending a bailiff.

[photon]

Where did you see that?

EDIT: Ah http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rder-1.1867131

[Minnie]

I watched the early news.

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Locke

So, what you're saying is that Freemen on the Land want to pick and choose which rules apply to them at their convenience?

They sound like cyclists.

I'm going to start a new riding club called 'Freewheels on the Road'

Any pseudo-legal cyclists want to join me?

[Julio]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ault-1.1867269

The plot thickens...including another 'Freeman' being the guys 'representative'...or tried to.

[Vulcan]

The representative initially refused to give his name in court.
"He [the tenant] is in lock down," the representative said. "This has been turned into an international incident. There have been several thousand death threats."

Wow, talk about deluded.

[photon]

Not just deluded, dangerous. Good thing I guess she didn't try to change the locks back or get into the place or something, who knows what would have happened!

[Delthefunky]

potentially 30 000 members in Canada!?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Potty

I work in the construction industry and hired a guy to do some subcontract work, who I didn't know at the time was a freeman. On the purchase order I sent him, it said he needed an active GST number in order for any payments to be processed, which he obviously didn't read.

Fast forward two years and he stops by the office every couple weeks to rant and rave and yell at me for not paying him and I tell him to give me the GST number per the purchase order he received and I'll cut him a cheque on the spot. He obviously won't do it because the government will immediately garnish the payment to cover unpaid taxes, so we go round and round in circles with no end in sight.

It's a pretty decent chunk of cash, like 3-4 months salary. I almost feel bad for the guy but then I look at the government deduction on my pay cheque to pay for all the services that he takes advantage of for free and I get over it haha.

Why do you need a GST number to pay the guy? Just don't give him the GST.

[Hack&Lube]

This is the nation that Pirelli declared his embassy represented. WHOIS reveals it was registered to a Montreal address. It's probably his personal site. What a painful and hilarious read. I'm surprised news agencies haven't picked up on this. Some lazy news articles have made mention that Freemen have a better grasp of law than lawyers. This guy doesn't even have a grasp of grammar and spelling within his legalese gobbledyg00k.

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The contrary of Sovran is Sovereign which means you agee and accept the laws put in place by ''the System of Thing'', by The Queen of England or your existing social system in your ''corporate'' country.

[Locke]

Jesus....was that even in English?

[PsYcNeT]

+1 would read again.

[CaptainCrunch]

Why can't we just send in the army and annex that nation?

Can't touch this

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Why can't we just send in the army and annex that nation?

Can't touch this

Anschluss? They should be wearing Team Canada hockey jerseys while they're at it.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Some lazy news articles have made mention that Freemen have a better grasp of law than lawyers.

Uhhh which news organizations are these?

The way I interpret the Freemen and similar groups is that they're an extreme example of how many lay people look at law. They see it as mystical and mysterious because they don't quite understand the nuances of how it works. It always amazes me to hear people talk about contracts and when a contract is "legal" (they mean enforceable) and say something like "did you sign anything? Then it's not legal", as if a pen is some sort of sorcerer's wand that can imbue a piece of paper with magical legal powers.

The Freemen seem to take the view that the legal system is just sort of a whole system of words and concepts that lawyers and judges have gotten together and decided should mean X, Y or Z, totally arbitrarily. That's arguably sort of true, given that all common law stems from someone just deciding that that's what the law should be, whether it's parliament or some delegated authority or a judge in England in 1819. So they've just decided no, we're going to create new words and concepts and act as though THEY have special meaning just because we say so, and our manufactured legal concepts are no less valid than yours, because they're both just arbitrary invented structures. By declaring certain words to be legal, I can somehow make those words magic and "appoint you as a trustee fiduciary liable" or some similar thing.

[photon]

Yeah that's basically it, they think their contrived documents and the words they use are some kind of magic spell that'll compel the lawyers and judges to do what they want.

They fail to see that legal language is a tool used by the legal system, it isn't the legal system itself, and that decisions are ultimately made by people based on reason. The words used facilitate communication about intent and requirements and such, but the words aren't magic.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah that's basically it, they think their contrived documents and the words they use are some kind of magic spell that'll compel the lawyers and judges to do what they want.

They fail to see that legal language is a tool used by the legal system, it isn't the legal system itself, and that decisions are ultimately made by people based on reason. The words used facilitate communication about intent and requirements and such, but the words aren't magic.

Good post.

You challenge my post-modernist contracts professor.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah that's basically it, they think their contrived documents and the words they use are some kind of magic spell that'll compel the lawyers and judges to do what they want.

They fail to see that legal language is a tool used by the legal system, it isn't the legal system itself, and that decisions are ultimately made by people based on reason. The words used facilitate communication about intent and requirements and such, but the words aren't magic.

For many FOTL, this may be true but there are interesting parallels in tax protesters (ie: Wesley Snipes) that either believe or are coached into believing that this magical system actually exists and is only hidden from the lay people through massive institutional conspiracy.

IIRC, Snipes argued that his name on his birth certificate was in capital letters and was therefore not the same individual as himself and was actually a legal entity that the Treasury maintained a secret bank account for and from which he could withdraw from if he submitted bills of exchange to the IRS. These were of course just fictitious contrivances and not real conveyances.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Uhhh which news organizations are these?

The way I interpret the Freemen and similar groups is that they're an extreme example of how many lay people look at law. They see it as mystical and mysterious because they don't quite understand the nuances of how it works. It always amazes me to hear people talk about contracts and when a contract is "legal" (they mean enforceable) and say something like "did you sign anything? Then it's not legal", as if a pen is some sort of sorcerer's wand that can imbue a piece of paper with magical legal powers.

The Freemen seem to take the view that the legal system is just sort of a whole system of words and concepts that lawyers and judges have gotten together and decided should mean X, Y or Z, totally arbitrarily. That's arguably sort of true, given that all common law stems from someone just deciding that that's what the law should be, whether it's parliament or some delegated authority or a judge in England in 1819. So they've just decided no, we're going to create new words and concepts and act as though THEY have special meaning just because we say so, and our manufactured legal concepts are no less valid than yours, because they're both just arbitrary invented structures. By declaring certain words to be legal, I can somehow make those words magic and "appoint you as a trustee fiduciary liable" or some similar thing.

[CaptainCrunch]

Any bets on this guy resisting his eviction, or completely destroying the place in a fit of pixie rage?