Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not sure either guy is really 60-80 more 50-70 guys.

I can't see how they are a better tandem than Malkin-Crosby but I guess it looks good now if you ignore the other factors.

He didn't say they were better, just that he would take them over the others when you factor in the cap hit. I'm not sure I agree with him but I see his point. You have more money to build a complete team...kinda like Boston. Hmm, maybe I do agree with him.

[PlayfulGenius]

The value of a player is very much relative to their cap hit in today's game, no question.

I like the BOS model, personally.

I'd love for CGY to build a team that fits the description of what Burke was trying to build in TOR.

Both LAK and BOS are teams very fun to watch.., STL as well.

[megatron]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Krejci and Bergeron are the exact type of centers I want the Flames to draft and develop.

They aren't flashy, 80-100 point, "gimme $8-10 million a year", cap destroying, one way centers.

They're just plain smart, strong two way, excellent face off, clutch as can be, 60-80 point centers who likely won't ever chew up 10-15% of a teams cap.

Very valuable players, and I know it might sound dumb, but I'd probably take that tandem as the Flames #1 and #2 centers over any other tandem in the league, when you take into account the above noted cap considerations.

Hopefully Monahan/Lindholm will turn out like one of these two (providing we can pick either of those two).

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not really. He is a great 2nd line centre but you would you classify him in the same ilk as Getzlaf, Kopitar, Crosby, ect?? The Bruins have 2 very good 2nd line C's in Bergeron and Krejci and Seguin could have the talent if played at C to be a #1C down the road potentially but I would certainly not say Bergeron is a #1 C.

Personally, I would take Bergeron over Getzlaf when you consider cap and everything they bring to the table. Getzlaf will put up more points, but Bergeron is a top 3 defensive forward and arguably the best face-off man in the league. There is no one in the league I'd want more to take a draw in the defensive zone with 10 seconds left than Patrice Bergeron.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Personally, I would take Bergeron over Getzlaf when you consider cap and everything they bring to the table. Getzlaf will put up more points, but Bergeron is a top 3 defensive forward and arguably the best face-off man in the league. There is no one in the league I'd want more to take a draw in the defensive zone with 10 seconds left than Patrice Bergeron.

Understandable, but when Bergeron's extension is done, will u feel the same? Until a year ago, would you consider Bergeron a better cap-hit (value-wise) than Getzlaff?

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Understandable, but when Bergeron's extension is done, will u feel the same? Until a year ago, would you consider Bergeron a better cap-hit (value-wise) than Getzlaff?

I'd take 100% healthy Bergeron at 5MM over 100% healthy Getzlaf at 5MM personally. But different people value different things in players and teams.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

I'd take 100% healthy Bergeron at 5MM over 100% healthy Getzlaf at 5MM personally. But different people value different things in players and teams.

Ideally you want a Getzlaf dominating on the 1st line & a Bergeron to dictate the play on the 2nd line. One of each would be nice.

However, beggars can't be choosers & the Flames are currently in the Darkness. We don't have a Crosby/Malkin/Getzlaf #1 nor do we have a Bergeron/Krecji/Langkow #1a/b. It could be argued that Backs/Stajan are #2a/b centres.

We can argue over the type of centre that we would like to acquire but that does not alter the fact that we need centres. Any centres with 1st line potential.

Whether it's a miraculous move for Barkov, staying at 6 & picking Monahan or Lindholm, or picking Lazar & Compher at 22 & 28 I will be very happy if the Flames address the C position in any and all ways at the Draft.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not sure either guy is really 60-80 more 50-70 guys.

I can't see how they are a better tandem than Malkin-Crosby but I guess it looks good now if you ignore the other factors.

Not surprising really. You rarely see the forest for the trees. Crosby and Malkin cost a team around $19 million. The difference between the salaries of the two Bruins and the two Penquins allows the Bruins to afford most of Chara and Siedenberg. I'll take the two really good guys over the two superstars because they are better for my "team" and payroll structure.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I had to stop following Damian Cox on twitter. He's been terrible lately.

Lately?

[CedarMeter]

Alright, Friedman is on the Fan in 3 mins.

[PlayfulGenius]

I live in Van, is there a place to listen online?

Edit : nevermind, you posted that more than 3 minutes ago

[Bertuzzied]

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I live in Van, is there a place to listen online?

Edit : nevermind, you posted that more than 3 minutes ago

For future reference: http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

Maybe the Panthers said no and Feaster knows there's no sense dealing with TBL as Mackinnon will be gone Top 2

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

More than likely its because they want MacKinnon. There is no sure fire bet that MacKinnon drops to #2. Maybe the Av's have a change of heart the day of the draft and take MacKinnon instead. Maybe the Av's recieve a deal from Buffalo that is to good to pass up on the day of the draft. I don't think the flames want to take the risk of giving up 3 dirst round picks and not get the guy they want.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

If feaster wants mckinnon, he's guaranteed to get him at 1, hence the trade offer with the avs. Its very likely feaster has already had the same discussions with florida but will not act until the first selection in the draft is made and mckinnon ia still on the board. There is no reason to assume feaster has not contacted florida but he'd be crazy to make the trade until he knows mckinnon is available, as the avs could be fooling everybody and selecting mckinnon.

Also possible, but less likely, is maybe the flames want jones.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

Who knows, maybe the Avs do want Jones, but think they don't need first overall to take him as there are other teams who would. It'd be a perfect screw job for them if say Calgary trades all their picks to Florida to get the second overall, and then the Avs trade down to 3 to pick Jones. Of course, in that scenario, Flames can do a reverse screw job and grab Jones at second if another team takes Mackinnon at first. Ah, the possibilities!

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Not sure if mentioned yet but if Feaster is trying to get Mckinnon isn't he a baffoon for trying to make a deal with the Avs? Since everyone and their dog knows they are drafting Jones, and he tried to screw them with the RFA offer sheet, why the hell would he not be making this trade offer with the Panthers? Why even consider the Avs unless he wants Jones.

I think he's done it because he knows it will get reported in the press, and this way he can point to it and say he's done his 'due diligence' to try to improve the franchise.

Emphasis on 'try.'

[Stay Golden]

The Flames probably leaked this 3 for 1 deal out intentionally to let the fan base know they are looking at all avenues with regards to the draft. Fully knowing that the top 3,4 picks are not willing to move those picks for any rational deal.

I would imagine the same deal was offered to FLA and TB as well.
One thing that is certain the Flames over the last 10 years or so only leak to the media what they want to intentionally.

[Ashasx]

Highly doubtful the same deal was offered to TB. MacKinnon wouldn't be there at 3.

TB would also be foolish not to accept the deal to move down all of 3 spots.