Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just watched the Lindholm interview on Oilers TV /spit.

Like his attitude. Fancies himself more of a Claude Giroux type player than Forsberg. Count me in.

Also watched Monahan's and I was equally impressed with his attitude. Flames fans will or at least should be equally happy when either of these guys put on that jersery. (if they stay the course and don't pull off a trade into the top 4)

Giroux is a much more realistic comparison than Forsberg. Saw a lot of Giroux in his game from the highlights i saw. Can't believe we actually have a chance to draft these two guys. End the playoffs now!

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

You know, I've been a big proponent of Lindholm for a while now, but I've been slowly coming around to Monahan. I really can't see them going wrong with either pick at this point.

Same here. been on the Lindholm boat for a while. But both of the are so freakin good I cry a little knowing some other team (Oilers /spit) will get the other.

[Canada 02]

so much content on the Oilers website. The Flames really need a drastic improvement to their garbage site

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

so much content on the Oilers website. The Flames really need a drastic improvement to their garbage site

Yeah it was a little jaw dropping at the amount of combine content they had. NHL.com or TSN don't have nearly as much. Haven't checked out sportsnet.ca yet but I expect it will be a sore lack of any depth again.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah it was a little jaw dropping at the amount of combine content they had. NHL.com or TSN don't have nearly as much. Haven't checked out sportsnet.ca yet but I expect it will be a sore lack of any depth again.

Well when you make a living acting like an AHL team developing players for other teams you do your best to sell it to your fans as excitement

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

so much content on the Oilers website. The Flames really need a drastic improvement to their garbage site

The Oilers are years of experience ahead of us in terms of hyping prospects as the future.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just watched the Lindholm interview on Oilers TV /spit.

Like his attitude. Fancies himself more of a Claude Giroux type player than Forsberg. Count me in.

Also watched Monahan's and I was equally impressed with his attitude. Flames fans will or at least should be equally happy when either of these guys put on that jersery. (if they stay the course and don't pull off a trade into the top 4)

Fancies himself as my favorite player Giroux.



Dammit Feaster, get this man.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

No he's saying he should have gone to the USHL this past season. It's what he had originally planned but over the summer last year he decided to go straight from Stanstead to Providence College, which is a very big jump.

Taking the leap to the NCAA gave him better competition and probably will in the end speed up his development a bit (we can hope) but since he made such a big jump, he basically went from a league with no systems play to a very high level league with plays developing much faster than he was used to. This forced Providence to put him on the wing this year to get used to the jump, instead of having him at centre. If he had gone the USHL route, he would have been playing centre this past year, which you could argue would have been better for his development.

A positive note is that he will be the number 1 centre for Providence College next season, so we can really get a gauge this fall where he is at in his development and if we really have a good prospect on our hands or not. If he comes out strong and shows he can play top line minutes as a centre right out of the gate, you can expect that he will get a long look for the World Juniors.

Good point. I think one of the reasons he went to Providence was his strong showing at the Flames development camp. If that never happens and he ends up playing in the USHL (as planned), he probably puts up some pretty good stats (in a lesser league) and attracts more attention from scouts.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if Nashville would be willing to move down 10 spots or so in order to pick up another first round pick, seeing as how after #4 they don't have another pick until #64?

Plus Columbus has stated that their first rounders are all in play for veteran help.

Maybe the Flames could try to add 4th overall without losing the 6th overall somehow....


Trade #1 -> Alex Tanguay, 27th-30th overall to Columbus for 14th overall, 44th overall
Trade #2 -> 14th Overall, 22nd Overall to Nashville for 4th Overall

...or something in that neighborhood.

Flames then pick:

4th
6th
44th

...and so on.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by devo22

last year, he had Jankowski at 14 which is where the Flames were scheduled to pick. He had Sieloff at 42 which is exactly where he was picked by the Flames, and he also had Gillies quite high at 52. No evidence though, just a lot of speculation. I'd be surprised if the Button brothers didn't at least exchange their feelings regarding certain players over the course of the year.

or perhaps they had similar influences in their lives and thus see things from a similar perspective...... crazy I know

Originally Posted by Matty81

Also hoping the friars recruit some decent offensive players this off season, they only had 3 guys who scored more than 20 points last year and one graduated. Could be a rough year next year offensively. If anybody knows how to look up US college hockey recruits that would be cool to see.

The Friars were an extremely young team this year.

They carried only 6 seniors this year and that includes the backup goalie who only played while Gillies was in Russia at the WJC and Chris Rooney who played only 14 games. Schaller who you mentioned as the 20+ point guy that is graduating was also their only senior to finish in the top 10 in team scoring.

They also had 14 Freshmen and Sophomores play in at least 20 games this year, that is a pretty staggering number. 7 of their top 10 scorers were among this group too.

I am not 100% sure but I do believe it was their coaches first year at the school as well, all things considered I think they will improve quite a bit offensively offensively this year. And could even win Hockey East.

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I think Gauthier is the next Rob Niedermeyer. He is clumsy as crap- no where close to Joe. I'm sorry about your friend's assessment. He is just big, that's all.

Gauthier is extremely raw, of course he is a bit clumsy. He is very good defensively (one of the top in the QMJHL), one of the the best faceoff guys in the Q and plays with a bit of a mean streak as well.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

To be completely fair, Rob Niedermayer had a much higher upside than Rob Niedermayer

Excellent post. Things like this seem to be ignored.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Those numbers won't be entirely accurate, as one would have to account for injuries.

The percentages would rise as a result.

And so would Monahan's as he served a 10 game suspension and missed time for the WJC camp. His percentage may even be close to 50% with that factored in.

[Commandant]

Dillon Heatherington, a two way defenceman set at #51

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-51/

[bubbsy]

eklund speculating that teams are pushing to get into the 4/5 spot to try to get the russian kid:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...5#.Uath85yeCx0

Doesn't really change the flames targets, assuming they don't intend to move from the 6 spot. They best being doing excessive amounts of research on who's a better center to build around, lindholm vs monahan.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if Nashville would be willing to move down 10 spots or so in order to pick up another first round pick, seeing as how after #4 they don't have another pick until #64?

Plus Columbus has stated that their first rounders are all in play for veteran help.

Maybe the Flames could try to add 4th overall without losing the 6th overall somehow....


Trade #1 -> Alex Tanguay, 27th-30th overall to Columbus for 14th overall, 44th overall
Trade #2 -> 14th Overall, 22nd Overall to Nashville for 4th Overall

...or something in that neighborhood.

Flames then pick:

4th
6th
44th

...and so on.

Would never happen.

What I would like to see is the Flames trade 22nd Pick + PIT Pick + Roster Player/Prospect for Buffalo's 8th pick.

Then the Flames get to draft Monahan + one of Lindholm, Nichuskin, or Nurse...

[bubbsy]

what's intriguing about this draft is that if things stand as they do for the oilers/flames, both fan bases are going to go from hoping for one of lindholm/monahan to immediately hating one of them and hoping they're s a failure.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if Nashville would be willing to move down 10 spots or so in order to pick up another first round pick, seeing as how after #4 they don't have another pick until #64?

Plus Columbus has stated that their first rounders are all in play for veteran help.

Maybe the Flames could try to add 4th overall without losing the 6th overall somehow....


Trade #1 -> Alex Tanguay, 27th-30th overall to Columbus for 14th overall, 44th overall
Trade #2 -> 14th Overall, 22nd Overall to Nashville for 4th Overall

...or something in that neighborhood.

Flames then pick:

4th
6th
44th

...and so on.

I'd be happy with this even if the NSH part fell through...picking at 6 and 14 would be great.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I'd be happy with this even if the NSH part fell through...picking at 6 and 14 would be great.

I think we all over-value Tanguay....No way he is worth a jump from 29th to 14th.....LET ALONE a 2nd round pick too.

Going back to the Draft Value chart (http://statsportsconsulting.com/main...Draftchart.pdf) and take a look at values:

29th overall (assuming the Pens beat the Bruins...which might not happen), that pick is worth 275.

14th is 456 and 44th is worth 196, for a total of 652. That means that tanguay is worth 377 (652 - 275), or about the same as #18 overall. Do you think Detroit would trade Tanguay for the 18th pick straight up? I'll answer that for you: NEVER.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I think we all over-value Tanguay....No way he is worth a jump from 29th to 14th.....LET ALONE a 2nd round pick too.

Going back to the Draft Value chart (http://statsportsconsulting.com/main...Draftchart.pdf) and take a look at values:

29th overall (assuming the Pens beat the Bruins...which might not happen), that pick is worth 275.

14th is 456 and 44th is worth 196, for a total of 652. That means that tanguay is worth 377 (652 - 275), or about the same as #18 overall. Do you think Detroit would trade Tanguay for the 18th pick straight up? I'll answer that for you: NEVER.

But by the way, to take this one step further, 14th + 22nd = 782pts. #4 overall = 783. That looks like an extremely fair deal. You'll just need more than Tanguay to get the 14th pick.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I think we all over-value Tanguay....No way he is worth a jump from 29th to 14th.....LET ALONE a 2nd round pick too.

Going back to the Draft Value chart (http://statsportsconsulting.com/main...Draftchart.pdf) and take a look at values:

29th overall (assuming the Pens beat the Bruins...which might not happen), that pick is worth 275.

14th is 456 and 44th is worth 196, for a total of 652. That means that tanguay is worth 377 (652 - 275), or about the same as #18 overall. Do you think Detroit would trade Tanguay for the 18th pick straight up? I'll answer that for you: NEVER.

So I'd be right to be happy with that trade????

[moon]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

But by the way, to take this one step further, 14th + 22nd = 782pts. #4 overall = 783. That looks like an extremely fair deal. You'll just need more than Tanguay to get the 14th pick.

It might makes sense numbers wise but it would be a horrible deal for Nashville and I can't think that they would ever even consider it let alone make it.

I know there has been a lot of talk about this being a top 3 draft, but the guy they get at 4 is so much better than 14 that getting a maybe at 22 seems like a big gamble for likely a little to no pay-off.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

But by the way, to take this one step further, 14th + 22nd = 782pts. #4 overall = 783. That looks like an extremely fair deal. You'll just need more than Tanguay to get the 14th pick.

What if you through in:

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

... 27th-30th overall ...

As part of the Tanguay trade?