Our 6th Overall Pick: Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Can't pick. Want both somehow.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by moon

I think the top 3 are certainly better but after them from 4-7 I don't see those guys cracking the top 3 of last year.

Ryan Murray certainly looks better than any of the defensemen other than Jones, not sure any of the centers look to be better than Galchenyuk and Yakupov.

I think it is a fine draft but the 4-7 guys have become very highly rated here since we dropped out of bottom 3 positions.

I haven't seen the Hockey News but other reports I have read is similar to other years where the closer to the drafter the "better" that draft seems to get. Seems to also correspond to the time many sources are trying to get you to buy their reports on these guys, but that might just be a coincidence.

I suspect Galchenyuk would have fallen a bit as he pretty well missed the entire season last year with a knee injury. Obviously it looks like a good pick in retrospect.

[Tinordi]

The more interesting question is would you take Monahan or Nichushkin which will more than likely be the choice the Flames will have to make.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The more interesting question is would you take Monahan or Nichushkin which will more than likely be the choice the Flames will have to make.

Monahan is obviously the safer pick. I think Nuchushkin has the potential to be a franchise player and has top 3 pick skill. If he shut his mouth and didn't sign a 2 year deal in the KHL (yes - I know it has an out clause after year 1) then I would take him in a second. The Russian factor is overblown, but if Lindholm is already gone and Nuchuskin is available, I wouldn't be upset taking him at 6. I think I would take him over Monahan.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The more interesting question is would you take Monahan or Nichushkin which will more than likely be the choice the Flames will have to make.

Nichushkin wouldn't even be a consideration imo. 2 years left on his KHL deal, biggest draft in a decade for us, we are going to go with the "sure" thing.

[SuperMatt18]

I take one of the safer bets at 6, but if Nichushkin drops in the 10-15 range I get on my phone and offer our two later picks to move up.

Nichushkin at 6 is a risk, but him at 12 could end up being the steal of the draft.

Have to think what is better:

Lindholm/Monahan, Gauthier, Compher/Petan

or

Lindholm/Monahan, Nichushkin

Think I go with the two players that are potential top 5 talents.

[dammage79]

walking out of the draft with two of Monahan/Lindholm and Nichushkin would be a massive, massive win.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

It's draft time where everyone pretends to know every player in the draft like they play for their hometown team while throwing out cliches like "high hockey IQ", "gritty", "defensively responsible", and my favorite "top 6 forward potential".

As long as we can keep "compete level" out of the thread. Man do I hate that overused phrase.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by dammage79

walking out of the draft with two of Monahan/Lindholm and Nichushkin would be a massive, massive win.

I will forgive Feaster for his many faults if he pulls that off

[ricardodw]

So after hearing how Lindholm is Forsberg why will he be available at #6?

What are the consensus top 5 that leave us with a choice of Monahan or Lindholm?

Top 3 are Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin and as far as I can see in that order....but not necessary. Then there is Barkov and Nichushkin ...

In case no one has notice that would leave Nurse a 6' 4" d man that is and offensive d-man that plays with an edge and patterns himself after Shea Weber.

The Flames (the team of Gauthier, Warrener, Regehr, Phanuef) have gotten to the point where Cundari at 5-10 200 lbs is next in line to assume the role of tough D-man.

Nurse won't be ready for a year or two but Lindholm is at least a year/ maybe 2 away and Nichushkin is doubtful to leave the KHL next year so he is at least 2 years away as well.

Feaster has said that there were 4 franchise type players in this draft..... I guess in Feaster-speak that means the top 3 and whoever is left when he drafts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bluck

I will forgive Feaster for his many faults if he pulls that off

Potential is there if he can trade up in the 10-15 range.

• 7. Edmonton
• 8. Buffalo
• 9. New Jersey
• 10. Dallas
• 11. Philadelphia
• 12. Phoenix
• 13. Winnipeg
• 14. Columbus

I think there are three teams that might take the risk : 8)Buffalo, 10)Dallas, 11)Philadelphia.

If he is still there after 11 I think the Flames need to call Columbus to try and move up to 14. Think Columbus might take the trade for say 24 and 29 at that point as it would give them 4 picks in the final 15 of the 1st round.

[Swayze11]

This is why comparisons are such a bad idea. Lindholm = Forsberg? come on guys.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So after hearing how Lindholm is Forsberg why will he be available at #6?

What are the consensus top 5 that leave us with a choice of Monahan or Lindholm?

Top 3 are Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin and as far as I can see in that order....but not necessary. Then there is Barkov and Nichushkin ...

In case no one has notice that would leave Nurse a 6' 4" d man that is and offensive d-man that plays with an edge and patterns himself after Shea Weber.

The Flames (the team of Gauthier, Warrener, Regehr, Phanuef) have gotten to the point where Cundari at 5-10 200 lbs is next in line to assume the role of tough D-man.

Nurse won't be ready for a year or two but Lindholm is at least a year/ maybe 2 away and Nichushkin is doubtful to leave the KHL next year so he is at least 2 years away as well.

Feaster has said that there were 4 franchise type players in this draft..... I guess in Feaster-speak that means the top 3 and whoever is left when he drafts.

Pretty widely regarded that Barkov is the 4th best pick and is close if not in the same tier as Jones, Drouin, Mackinnon. Would not be surprised to see Barkov to go before Drouin actually.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Potential is there if he can trade up in the 10-15 range.

• 7. Edmonton
• 8. Buffalo
• 9. New Jersey
• 10. Dallas
• 11. Philadelphia
• 12. Phoenix
• 13. Winnipeg
• 14. Columbus

I think there are three teams that might take the risk : 8)Buffalo, 10)Dallas, 11)Philadelphia.

If he is still there after 11 I think the Flames need to call Columbus to try and move up to 14. Think Columbus might take the trade for say 24 and 29 at that point as it would give them 4 picks in the final 15 of the 1st round.

I think Columbus thinks of your exact idea and takes him for themselves knowing full well they have more first rounders to draft. If you want the Russian you'll have to do it before then IMO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Trade up and draft both

I had a dream last night that Feaster actually traded up the 6th overall pick to 3rd overall and he still picked Lindholm.

(I know it's lame to post about dreams, but dammit I'm scared man!)

Originally Posted by Goodlad

And of course all credit to Commandant for the fantastic reviews.

Just a question, but does anyone know where one could find those vote results? It would be interesting to see. Bo Horvat is supposed to be a great faceoff player and could potentially be there with the St. Louis pick, although it might be a bit of a long shot that he isn't taken earlier (I have seen him ranked anywhere from 10th to 24th).

More importantly though, I wonder if some of the player that received votes might be available in later rounds. Maybe like a Mike Eastwood type of player that could go in rounds 5 to 7.

I would also like to see the other conference and what else they voted on.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think Columbus thinks of your exact idea and takes him for themselves knowing full well they have more first rounders to draft. If you want the Russian you'll have to do it before then IMO.

Actually think you may be right.

Was thinking they were still under the old regime that got burned by Russians. However they are actually now run by Davidson and Kekalainen who happen to be the two guys that took a dropping Tarasenko and that has worked out okay for St.Louis this year.

Might have to target Phoenix or Winnipeg in that case then.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

This is why comparisons are such a bad idea. Lindholm = Forsberg? come on guys.

I find it amusing and more than a little sad that some take comparisons so literal. Take you for example, someone compared the two players so clearly that must mean they are destined to be identical. Not like it could have anything to do with the way they play a similar style of game. Nope people must mean they will be identical in terms of skill, output and both will have nearly identical careers.

Yep comparisons are downright silly

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Kaine

I find it amusing and more than a little sad that some take comparisons so literal. Take you for example, someone compared the two players so clearly that must mean they are destined to be identical. Not like it could have anything to do with the way they play a similar style of game. Nope people must mean they will be identical in terms of skill, output and both will have nearly identical careers.

Yep comparisons are downright silly

You will be surprised how people take comparisons. If you are going to compare someones style of play, at least set expectations in a realistic way.

For example: People compare Monahan to Toews. Why not say Ryan O'Reilly - obtainable expectation.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

You will be surprised how people take comparisons. If you are going to compare someones style of play, at least set expectations in a realistic way.

For example: People compare Monahan to Toews. Why not say Ryan O'Reilly - obtainable expectation.

I don't know, I haven't made a comparison so I couldn't tell you. I would suspect tho because Towes is a player many more people are likely to recognize as that type of player since I'm sure a few people didn't even know who Ryan was before the whole offer sheet. I haven't seen a single person claim Monahan would be anywhere near as good as Towes, simply that they are both offense producing, defensive minded forwards.

I think you are taking these comparisons just a wee bit too literal.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

You will be surprised how people take comparisons. If you are going to compare someones style of play, at least set expectations in a realistic way.

For example: People compare Monahan to Toews. Why not say Ryan O'Reilly - obtainable expectation.

i agree. think media uses the big name comparison for pure shock value.

Mind you, button compared monahan to Kreci in one of the videos i watched.