[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[getoverit]

never early enough LOL

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Jeez how late do you think the game is gonna go tonight?

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Bernier wants to play. That's his #1 priority. He's got a cup ring already and probably has very little interest in being a back-up on a contending team. In order for him to maximize his career earnings he has to start earning starting dollars soon. His priority will be opportunity - which Calgary provides.

Most good teams have good goalies.

He will likely have to go to a bad team to get the opportunity he seeks.

I also wouldn't call it win now, as the Flames still have to ice a competitive team going forward. I don't think Management seeing MacDonald as a #1 going forward nor is any of the kids in the system shown that they are either ready (Irving, Taylor, Brossit) or unknown (Ramo, Ortio). Bernier is still young and fits a new younger group of Flames. If we do end up with a glut of good goalies, then they will also have a position of strength to trade with to upgrade other holes in the line up. Bernier will help the Flames improve in the long run.

LChoy

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Not that I am advocating or even hoping for Iginla staying, but him staying and re-signing here won't mean that the Flames are building around him. I don't think Feaster has 'built around' Iginla for the last 2 seasons. The Flames haven't been trying to get a #1 center to play with him, they are not trading away future pieces for vets. They seem to have been employing a strategy of building for the future (taking Jankowski for the 'home run' who needs a few years of development at least over selecting another player that could help sooner was a great example of this).

Either way, the Flames are building towards the future, and adding pieces that should be around by the time they hope to be finished. All their FA acquisitions have been in the mid to late 20's, and there is an emphasis on drafting in this organization. Jarome staying doesn't mean that the team will not rebuild, or that they will build around Iginla - merely they will just continue to do what they are doing with an aim of staying competitive and building for the future.

I do think that in the end, Feaster will accept the best trade on the table a couple of days before the deadline if nobody offers him what his asking price is. What I wonder is how many other players are going to be moved, and if they are concentrating on moving out Iginla first, as a way of saying to the rest of the players with NTCs/NMCs that "We traded your captain, and you guys should think about going too." or something similar. It just doesn't make much sense if they are ONLY trading Jarome, in my opinion (though I really don't think they are going to 'burn it to the ground'.

Agreed, they are so far in the hole, prospect wise, and minimally 2 or 3 years late to the party from a retool or rebuild viewpoint, they almost have no choice but to move out as many post 27 year old players as possible.

They will be of little use when the team becomes respectable again.

Make no mistake. This will be a long and arduous process. The sooner it gets put in motion, at top speed, the better.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Jeez how late do you think the game is gonna go tonight?

That'll be one epic shootout.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That'll be one epic shootout.

We are looking at about 500-600 different shootout attempts from each side if the game ends tomorrow morning at 8 AM.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

Hopefully the Flames aren't considering taking a 2014 1st from the Kings. Picking a year later will only delay turning this franchise around. If they can't get a 2013 pick I would prefer they got a prospect.

I might be in the minority here, but I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing a team's 1st from next season. We know this years puck from the four teams on "the list" are going to be in the 25-30 range. Next year any number of things could happen though. Severe cup hangover, a rash of injuries to key players, even division realignment could all contribute to one of these teams not even making the playoffs next year.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

3-way trades are so rare, but if we could get Bernier and Toffoli for Iginla, then send Bernier to Toronto for a 1st and a prospect, that would be ideal.

Yeah, that's the only way I'd consider a trade with Bernier as a principle piece acceptable... If you could without question subsequently flip him immediately and get that kind of package for him (bonus for Flames fans would be that it would dry up a potential market for Luongo). Otherwise I'd rather the Flames just see what they have in Ramo, Ortio, Gillies, Brossiet and fish around in the UFA market when the time is right if none of them are the answer.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Bernier wants to play. That's his #1 priority. He's got a cup ring already and probably has very little interest in being a back-up on a contending team. In order for him to maximize his career earnings he has to start earning starting dollars soon. His priority will be opportunity - which Calgary provides.

Most good teams have good goalies.

He will likely have to go to a bad team to get the opportunity he seeks.

A lot of 9th-12th place teams have good goalies too, as shown by the Flames in the past few years. A good goalie can ofter take a bad team and make them hover in no-man's land. I don't think the priority for this team right now, given where it is in the competetive cycle, should be on a goalie that is currently entering his best years. A 21 year old "Bernier" that would be starting to peak in 3 or 4 years as other young components were coming together would be much preferrable.

There's no guarantee he won't be the 2nd goalie here though either, so opportunity is not a sure thing.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I might be in the minority here, but I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing a team's 1st from next season. We know this years puck from the four teams on "the list" are going to be in the 25-30 range. Next year any number of things could happen though. Severe cup hangover, a rash of injuries to key players, even division realignment could all contribute to one of these teams not even making the playoffs next year.

I'd rather have the bird in the hand with the deep draft this year.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Bernier wants to play. That's his #1 priority. He's got a cup ring already and probably has very little interest in being a back-up on a contending team. In order for him to maximize his career earnings he has to start earning starting dollars soon. His priority will be opportunity - which Calgary provides.

Most good teams have good goalies.

He will likely have to go to a bad team to get the opportunity he seeks.

What about Ramo? Does he back up Bernier?

[timbit]

oops. DP

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Luder

What about Ramo? Does he back up Bernier?

Or Kiprusoff for that matter. There is nothing confirmed that he won't be playing next season.

[CaptainCrunch]

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Luder

What about Ramo? Does he back up Bernier?

Not sure Ramo would want to come to Calgary if he thought that Bernier is going to be the franchise goaltender going forward.

Also i know that Ramo is in Feasters plans, but i am pretty sure Feaster will be fired this summer for this mess. Will the next GM see anything in Ramo worthy of a contract?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

I would say the flames don't know if the have a goaltending depth issue or not. They have know idea how Ramo will be back in the NHL, they don't know if Kipper will be back next year, and the rest of the goalie prospects are 3-5 years away.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually I liked what Grant said on our radio show ... "the worst case scenario isn't Iginla walking for nothing, it's Iginla signing a 3 year extension at 6+ per season"

and that isn't to say anything against Iginla, at all. But as long as he's here as the guy the team will continue to sit in this flux and not move on. If Iginla took a 4m per year deal to be a secondary guy, then that's better. But I fear as long as he's the face of the franchise they'll continue to use elmer's glue and tape to try and get him in the playoffs.

Agree with both aspects. I don't think any of us in the "re-sign Iginla" camp want him back at anything over 5.5. However, I think if he signs at 5.5 for say three years, that's solid value. Rebuilding or not, I want a team that's going to put some pucks in the net, and it's not like we have a plethora of 60-70 point guys waiting to step up if Iginla goes, and there isn't anything better in the UFA market.

Yes, if he walks for nothing then it's terrible asset management by Feaster and Co., but if he's said he's willing to negotiate an extension if they can't get a deal that actually helps the team at the deadline, then hang onto him. Iginla isn't a dummy, and I'm sure he can see which direction this franchise is headed in, and I don't see him being a massive dick by not letting management in on his intentions.

If I'm Feaster, Iginla and his agent, this scenario was likely hashed out last summer:

"Here's the direction we're going in. We hope to make the playoffs this year, but if not, we'll probably start rebuilding. We'd be happy to have you stick around for X amount of dollars in X type role. If this isn't for you, we will do our best to move you at the deadline. Please provide us with a list of teams you'd accept a trade to."

[Knut]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

I would say that Bernier has the best chance of all the goalies in the system to be a starter (or at least 1a/1b). Ramo/Bernier looks a lot better than Ramo/McDonald

[Muta]

Another thing I hope Feaster is considering - the marketing potential for Iggy's new team would be off the charts. Merchandise sales, advertising, etc.

I hope Feaster informs any potential suitors that this is another benefit of acquiring Iginla. His value off the ice will be huge.

[underGRADFlame]

Here's the trade I think makes sense...

To Kings:

Iginla (7.0 - UFA) and Sarich (2.0, 2.0) - Calgary Pays 2.0 of Iginla's salary.

To Flames:

Bernier (1.25, RFA), Vey (.79, .79) and 2013 2nd Round

Then LA picks up a veteran backup on deadline day.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This "meddling" BS is starting to get way over-blown around here. Owners set the mandate for the organization and management carries that out. If big decision that can alter the course of the organization needs to be made, ownership is definitely going to get involved. This is how things work in every single organization whether it's the coffee shop around the corner, a multinational Oil and Gas company or the Calgary Flames.

For example, I work in management for a medium sized EPC here in Calgary and have autonomy with all the small day to day things such as resource allocation, reporting to clients, etc. But this week I worked in a team on a major proposal to do work for a new client. That team included several senior Engineers, myself, the VP and President of the company.

I think if you don't understand this, you have either never worked, or are being wilfully ignorant.

AGREED - and to think that upper management isnt going to be involved in a decision that not only sets the direction of the team but also defines how it is perceived is quite short sighted - not to even mentioned the kind of dollars involved